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Posted: January 27, 2004 at 2:31 PM / IP Logged  
I have a few questions. The first is what do you think is the best and EQ with some crossover functions or strictly a crossover? There is also some terms on an eq that I do not understand Boost/cut...what is cut? and Q factor...does this has something to do with quantization when you are converting from an analog signal to a digital signal?
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Posted: January 27, 2004 at 4:06 PM / IP Logged  
First, why do you think you need an eq or crossover? In most cases they are used as a band aid for a problem but sometimes as a dedicated tool to solve a problem. You need to determine which of these scenarios you fall in. The more times you process a signal, generally speaking the more it is degraded by the time it hits the amp.
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Usually an EQ can do more bad things to your system then good if you dont know how to use them. If you're a proffesional you can like forbidden said use them as a tool to help but i really wouldnt suggest one unless you thing you really have a problem. If so then try looking at Zapco. Probobly make some of the best EQs and proccessors around. Here's the link: http://www.zapco.com/nosound/index3.html

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Posted: January 27, 2004 at 6:41 PM / IP Logged  

If you need a crossover, get a crossover.  If you need an EQ, get an EQ.  Like stated above, don't add components into your signal path unless you need them, and then get components designed for the job you need done.

Boost/Cut refers to an EQ's function of increasing or decreasing signal strength at specific frequencies.  "Q factor" is (very generally) related to efficiency.  Higher Q generally means higher efficiency.  In an equalizer, the Q factor generally refers to the bandwidth of each adjustment band.

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Posted: January 27, 2004 at 9:17 PM / IP Logged  

First of all thanks for the answers,

I am not quite sure why you all asked why do I think I need a eq or xover. I always thought that when you are using more than one amp that a electronic crossover is a good source to divide the signal. I am planning on installing three amps. One for sub, one for midrange, and for the highs. I am confused by the things you all stated. I would appreciate it if anyone of you could explain in more detail. Thanks

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Posted: January 28, 2004 at 10:45 AM / IP Logged  

OK.  Now I understand what you are planning to do.

In general, if you are installing a tri-amped setup like you describe (one amp for each musical range) then yes, you will need a crossover.  Get a good quality stereo crossover with three-way outputs from a company like Audio Control (their 4XS product would do nicely for you.)

You do not necessarily need an EQ.  If you WANT one, then get a stand-alone EQ like Audio Control's model Four.1i.

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Posted: January 28, 2004 at 1:31 PM / IP Logged  
Talk to us more about you mid / high setup. Most components come with a proper crossover thus separate amplification is not usually an option. What speakers are you going to amplify? In most cases crossovers are built into the amplifier and now even in the cd players, thus an outboard crossover is usually redundant. It is a good idea to post up your ideas and equipment list for your vehicle so we can go through your ideas with you and make sure you do it right the first time.
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Posted: January 30, 2004 at 8:53 AM / IP Logged  

Thanks for the input, but I am not sure exactly what equipment as far as brands that I am getting, so I will take all suggestions. Here is the plan:

1. Use the existing head unit and install line outs for the RCA converison(I may not be using the right term, but I want to be able to connect to a crossover or amp, that depends on the suggestions I get from you).

2. Install a two channel amp to drive two 12 inch subs

3. Install a four channel amp that can drive the midrange and midbass speakers.

4. Install a two channel amp that will drive tweeters

I just realize after reading everyones comments, that maybe I can drop it down to two amps. I am aware of component speakers that comes with a crossover network.  Another thing, the person I am installing this for is a musician, so they want to be able to tune their system based on what song they are listening to at that time. They listen to types of music from R&B to rock. That is whay I was considering the eq and crossover. I would like to install this type of unit in a convenient location. I will remember next time to include the application.

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Posted: January 30, 2004 at 10:08 AM / IP Logged  

Here's what I would do:

1.  Install a good 4-channel amp for your main speakers.  Use the high-pass crossover built into the amp set to about 80 to 100 Hz.

2.  Install a good mono sub amp for the subs.  Use the built-in low pass crossover set to 80 to 100 Hz.

3.  Install a good stereo equalizer in the dash next to the head unit so the owner can tailor the sound to their liking.

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I would like to suggest an older type of eq that I found very helpful once upon a time, the Pioneer EQ6500, it was both crossover and eq in one unit that is half din insize can install in most vehicles immediately under or over the head unit putting both eq, and crossover controls at your finger tips without getting out of the car to move to the trunk or where ever. I found to be very effective and in conjunction with built in crossovers of amps, gives better protection to all speakers with-in the desired frequency.
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