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T.Hill 
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Posted: May 07, 2004 at 9:52 PM / IP Logged  
My brother in law has a small Alpine amp running a pair of JL 10's in a sealed box. I haven't seen the back of the subs but am guessing that they are W0"s series. The problem is that he just added the second sub and everything sounded like crap when he brought it to me. I found his gain on max, bass boost at max(+12db), and his low pass set to 50hz. I turned the gain to zero and turned the bass boost off completly. I set his crossover to around 130-140hz range and had him turn the radio up to where he normally listen to it and brought up the gain until it started to distort and then backed it off. He loved how it sounded until he drove around for a couple of hours and the amp was getting really hot. Now he says the subs look as if they are breathing since the amp shut off and no music is coming from them. My guess is that the amp overheated and went into protection. Could it be something else like a current problem since the subs are pushing out and slowing going back in? I haven't talked to him since he called me to tell me all this. I told him to turn it all off and let the amp cool and see if that helps. Anybody??
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Posted: May 07, 2004 at 9:54 PM / IP Logged  
When he calls me back I'll get the model numbers of the amp and subs. Also he has the amp under the seats of his 2000 Ranger. Thanks guys in advance.
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Posted: May 07, 2004 at 9:57 PM / IP Logged  
He added the second sub.  Did you by chance check the wiring?
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Posted: May 07, 2004 at 10:00 PM / IP Logged  
I checked it when I was changing his settings. he had it right since i reversed the leads and there was almost no output from the subs even though they were moving. I haven't seen it in person since he has had this new problem.
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Posted: May 07, 2004 at 10:14 PM / IP Logged  

Does the amp have a protection led? or has he touched it to see how warm it is?

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Posted: May 07, 2004 at 11:18 PM / IP Logged  
I just talked to him and he said when he let cool over night and started it up this morning smoke started coming out of the amp so he just turned it all off. he looked at his connections and none were touching anything that they weren't supposed to. He is checking on the model numbers and calling me back.
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Posted: May 08, 2004 at 9:12 AM / IP Logged  
Impedence load is too low is my bet.  Good call on resetting the gain!!
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Posted: May 08, 2004 at 1:52 PM / IP Logged  
I've tried to figure out the amp's model #, but can't find the exact one. I remember it saying that it is a mono amp but it has 2 sets of mono outputs. I thought it may be a MRP-M200, but it may be older than that.
Once I get the model #'s for the amp and subs I should be able to see if the impedence is the problem like DYohn suggested.
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Posted: May 08, 2004 at 6:19 PM / IP Logged  
i bet it was the MRV-M100 , its only stable to 4 ohm on each channel, so if he was driving a lower impedance, , then thats his prob.
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Posted: May 08, 2004 at 7:21 PM / IP Logged  
From what I remember him saying, I think his subs are W0's which are 4ohm, right?
Alpine Guy, is that 4 ohm on each output or 4 ohm's overall for the amp?
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