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Ok    I did the search on settin gain, went through JL's tutorial, but I'm still not sure. I have a Xtant 121m mono running it at 250W at 2 ohms. According to E=(P*R)^.5 the gain should be at 22.36? This is extremely low on the dial, like around 1/4, and I have to really turn up the bass to hear it at this setting. Can't be right can it?

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That would be correct.
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huh...
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It is my understanding that the gain is more dependant on the source voltage (your HU), so if you have a high quality HU (you elcipse owners out there know this) your gian will be very low.  An amplifier can only boost voltage to the point where it begins to clip/distort/overheat, so if the source is higher voltage like 8V or something your gain wold be half that of a HU with 4V pre-amps and still have the amp output at maximum.  (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here.) 
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Posted: June 18, 2004 at 3:35 PM / IP Logged  

shaman wrote:
It is my understanding that the gain is more dependant on the source voltage (your HU), so if you have a high quality HU (you elcipse owners out there know this) your gian will be very low.  An amplifier can only boost voltage to the point where it begins to clip/distort/overheat, so if the source is higher voltage like 8V or something your gain wold be half that of a HU with 4V pre-amps and still have the amp output at maximum.  (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here.) 

You're not wrong.  The input gain is designed to match the sensitivity of the amp to the voltage output of whatever is driving it (like the head unit.)  The way to set it using the voltage method is, basically, to set the head unit to its max non-clipping level and adjust the input gain on the amp until you are measuring the the proper voltage output for the max RMS rating into whatever your speaker load might be.  In the example above, 250 watts delivered into 2 ohms requires an output of 22.36 volts.

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Posted: June 18, 2004 at 5:37 PM / IP Logged  
chevyman26 wrote:

 According to E=(P*R)^.5 

I understand the formula...the voltage would be the square root of power in watts X resistance in ohms...but what does the .5 in the formula above represent?

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it's a way of indicating square root.  The ^ means "to the power of" whatever number follows.  0.5 means square root.
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The power output form an amp is

P=I^2*R   Were I, the current pushed through the sub is, I = E/R substituting E in the first equ. gives

P = (E/R)^2*R  So then P = (E^2 )/R  and,

E = (P*R)^.5 or the square root of the desiered power output ( not always the maximum printed on the amp) times the impedence of load.

All terms above are RMS vales

For my setup the speaker had a DC resistance of 3.1 Ohm, but an AC impeadence of 6 Ohm, so my 400W 4 channel amp is making the 40V it should but only producing 266W of power. 

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Scratch that ...  its a 4 Ohm 2 channel.

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Posted: June 18, 2004 at 6:07 PM / IP Logged  
lol, quit, dude, you're making me scratch a hole in my head...
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