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Are you experiencing cabin gain 'boom'?  http://www.diysubwoofers.org/caraudio.htm 

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Dyohn, the box I buit is a 40L volume (quite a large box). And I filled it first with 1 lb of Acoustastuff from parts express. Then I put in half a lb more, then another half lb during testing totalling to 2 lbs of acoustastuff.
I went to the back of my vehicle and changed volumes/tracks with my remote so I dont have to run back and forth during testing.   I set the cutoff frequency (LPF) to 75hz now but tested it from 60 to 200 just to hear the difference. The best was between 70 to 80. Set the Q factor to 45. I listened from near the speaker to hear the direct sound without any reflections etc.
I also tried settings on my HPF on the second amp, but that did not affect anything on my sub but only on my 4 dooor speakers.
I also tried setting the subsonic filter on and off on the mRD-m500. I tried almost all possible settings on my subamp. The only thing that helped a bit I found was to reduce the gain to -3db. I read somehwere that -7db is the best for this amp. I have not tried that yet.
and kfr01, I did not notice any cabin boom. its the sound from the sub itself. I tried it with my windows rolled down and also by standing near the sub from outside the car, with my rear hatch opened.
As I was readign reviews on another site(corvetteforums) I read that the best amp for Focals are ARC amps. I dont know anything about ARC amps yet and would like to know if possible as well. Looking at an ARC2100 CXL.
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It sounded better when you reduced the gain?  Step one in amplifier setup is to take time to set the gain correctly, have you done this?  You could be hearing the amplifier clipping. 

I could be way off base here, but you might have done yourself a huge disservice by playing the sub in your home first.  One, the noise level in your home is probably very low compared to the car.  Two, you experience gain like auto cabin gain when in a home, causing the sub to sound deeper.  I know my home sub sounds incredibly different depending on where in the room it is placed. 

The car environment is a different beast.  First, I don't know that I've ever heard a sub sound great looking right at it outside with the trunk open.  Close the trunk and tune your sound for the drivers seat position from the drivers seat.  It takes longer, but who cares what the sub sounds like from outside the car with the trunk open?  Sub bass produces very long waves.  If my understanding is correct, by standing too close in an open environment, you won't hear much in the way of low bass.  I don't have a strong physics background here, so someone correct me if I'm totally off base.  The length of a single cycle of a 40hz wave is around 28 feet.  You can hear this in a room, or in a car, standing much closer to the source than 28 feet because the bass wave can reflect off walls (fold) to get to you and complete the cycle.  So, if you're listing to a sub with the trunk open, outside, standing closer than 10 feet away, you won't hear much in the way of low bass because the waves have nothing to fold off of.  Similarly, if the same wave is bounced back a perfect 180 degrees from the source it can actually cancel the original wave, and you won't hear much of it either.  This cancelation happens often if the sub bass waves cannot escape the trunk.  Are your seats too thick, etc?

My advice: 

1)  Make sure the gain is set correctly.  Make sure the head unit is setup correctly (sub volume isn't maxed, bass boost off, eq flat, etc.). 
2)  Tune with the trunk closed from the drivers seat.
3)  Play around with the subwoofer positioning in the trunk.  Turn it around, angle it, face it up, move it forward, backward, etc.  Get someone to help you w/ this and it goes a lot faster. 

Someone let me know if I'm off bass (heh).  

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kfr01, I agree to most of the things you mentionned. And yes, bass frequencies are very low and hence the wavelength is large.   I have played around with the settings for months and changed boxes and subs several times but kept the same amps and HU. A few times I tried tuning with the trunk closed (its a suv, so I can go to the trunk area when the backseats are folded.
Someone just told me that if the mid-bass isnt right, the sub will sound "farty" and "tinny" since its difficult for mid-range amps to push 70 to 140 hz. About subwoofer positioning, Ive tried everything I could already. I am sure I am doing something wrong. I was thinking its the amp for the sub, but then I also heard its a good amp. My brains aren't working too well anymore.
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Posted: July 06, 2004 at 8:08 PM / IP Logged  

markcars wrote:
the sub will sound "farty"

heh heh I like that...I think I'll add that to my vocabulary...And forget what stuff sounds like in your home, you are in a car environment, kfr01 made some good points.  If you can find someone with a CAR system you like the sound of, emulate that setup.  If you keep testing out the car components in your house, you'll never find nirvana.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
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Actually I have heard a car sound system and fell in love with it and that is why I went with "All ALpine". My friend has a Volvo where the sound is so amazing, I would not say my home system is better at all, that much I was pleased with its sound. I found out that it was an Alpine system (Premium Sound in a Volvo car a several yeras ago) I could not find the sub anywhere in that car. They must definitely have one and it must be hidden somewhere but was not in sight even in the trunk. I just did not want anyting else and of course started buying Alpine speakers, amp, sub-amp, sub, subbox, and head unit but to an utter dissapointment. That is when I started changing stuff. Now my 4 doors have Rockfords and but the HU and 2 amps are still Alpine (which will change in about a week). I can listen to that sound system in that Volvo for days without being tired of it and I can listen to any boring music and it would just sound superb. Well now I am in search of nirvana that I have not found yet. hopefully soon... I won't give up now that I have been pursuing it for so long.
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