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Kev.

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Posted: August 10, 2004 at 12:37 PM / IP Logged

Car: 2004 Saturn Vue (3.5 liter V-6), Alarm: DEI 554R, Transponder: DEI 555L

I am having trouble with the remote start feature of my alarm. The car will start and then immediatly shut itself off. The wiring I have is:

Wiring done so far:

555L Red: Orange (+12vac in ignition harness)

555L Pink: Pink (Ignition)

555L Violet: Not Used

555L Blu/Blk: 554R (blue I think)

555L Black: Chassis ground (but I think this is supposed to go elsewhere)

555L Blk/Wht: Not Used

555L Yellow: Car side of keysense wire

555L Blk/Ylw: Ignition switch side of keysence wire

I am not sure the black wire from the 555L was supposed to go to ground. I've heard others mention it is supposed to go to an ORANGE / black wire in the ignition harness but my ingnition harness doesnot have an ORANGE / black.

My ignitiuon harness has:

Lt. Green: Keysense

Blk/Wht: ? (tested as ground using DVM)

Pink: Ignition

Orange #1: Acc #1

Brown: Acc #2

Yellow: Starter

Orange #2: +12vac

Orange #3: +12vac

I tried connecting the blak from the 555L to the blk/wht in my ignition harness and this had no effect. I had to set the 554R to voltage sense because I cannot find the right wire to connect the tach sense wire to.

Kev.

profuse007

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Posted: August 10, 2004 at 2:55 PM / IP Logged

-make sure the tach is properly taught and try the key in the cylinder w/o turning the key and RStart. if successful, then its time for 555L.

-this is the manual if you havent had one. look from page 2 for passlock II, PDF file.

(assuming the 02-04 doesnt change, since the previous diagram shows)

-only three wires goes to the passlock system.

1.rcode-computer side(look for the correspond color and cut if in half)

2.rcode-key cylinder side

3.ground input

-blue wire from 555L- status, i think blue/white on 554R.

-red wire form 555l- 12volt(+) fused

-pink-plug it to one of ur ignition wire.

-no need for BLACK/ white, cut it off.

-no need for violet, cut if off(if you want).

good luck!!!

Houston,TX

"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).

extreme1

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Posted: August 10, 2004 at 3:06 PM / IP Logged

Holy do you not have your 555L hooked up right. It in no way ties into the keysense wire.

Passlock wires should be yellow, ORANGE / black and RED / white

You cut the yellow wire.

Yellow from 555L goes to KEY SIDE

BLACK / YELLOW goes to CAR SIDE.

you can run the black wire to ground if you cannot find the passlock ground reference wire in the ign harness.

Shaughn Murley

Install Manager, Dealer Services

Visions Electronics

Red Deer, Alberta

Kev.

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Posted: August 10, 2004 at 4:10 PM / IP Logged

extreme1 wrote:

Holy do you not have your 555L hooked up right. It in no way ties into the keysense wire.

-I thought the keysense wire was the R-Code wire.

extreme1 wrote:

Passlock wires should be yellow, ORANGE / black and RED / white

-There is no ORANGE / black wire. The wire guide that was supplied with the alarm said I would find all of the passlock wires in the ignition (starter switch) wire bundle.

-There is no RED / white wire in the ignition bundle.

extreme1 wrote:

You cut the yellow wire.

-The yellow (heavy gauge) wire is for the starter. I know this is true, and works, because the car turns over when I hit the remote start buttons.

extreme1 wrote:

you can run the black wire to ground if you cannot find the passlock ground reference wire in the ign harness.

-Okay.

The If what you say is true...the Passlock wires must not be in the ignition harness (wires coming from the ignition switch). The reason I say this is because the only wires in the ignition harness are:

kev. wrote:

My ignitiuon harness has:

Lt. Green: Keysense

Blk/Wht: ? (tested as ground using DVM)

Pink: Ignition

Orange #1: Acc #1

Brown: Acc #2

Yellow: Starter

Orange #2: +12vac

Orange #3: +12vac

Kev.

extreme1

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Posted: August 10, 2004 at 5:53 PM / IP Logged

the wires you are looking for are the same size as the keysense, they run up over the top of the steering column. You have the remove teh shroud to get at them.

Given the trials you've had with this install already, is it worth the 150 bucks you're saving?

You also have to send a neg signal to keysense during remote start to prevent the service engine light from coming on.

Shaughn Murley

Install Manager, Dealer Services

Visions Electronics

Red Deer, Alberta

Kev.

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Posted: August 10, 2004 at 6:09 PM / IP Logged

extreme1 wrote:

the wires you are looking for are the same size as the keysense, they run up over the top of the steering column. You have the remove teh shroud to get at them.

-I'll check it out in a bit

extreme1 wrote:

Given the trials you've had with this install already, is it worth the 150 bucks you're saving?

Whatever you guys get paid...it isnt enough!

extreme1 wrote:

You also have to send a neg signal to keysense during remote start to prevent the service engine light from coming on.

- I'l have to reconnect the keysense wire (since I cut it thinking it was my R-Code wire) and tap the black wire from the 555L into it.

Thank you VERY much!

Kev.

extreme1

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Posted: August 10, 2004 at 10:49 PM / IP Logged

The passlock wires will exit the keycylinder towards the key end of it.

The Vue is perhaps the easiest of the new saturns to work on, the ION is a bloody nightmare with multiplex passlock/2nd ign/ start wires.

all ign wires are low current as well, maybe 18awg.

Shaughn Murley

Install Manager, Dealer Services

Visions Electronics

Red Deer, Alberta

Kev.

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Posted: August 11, 2004 at 8:29 AM / IP Logged

Sure enough, there they were, right on top of the steering column. After I made the appropriate connections, I started the car (with the key) and let it run a minute. After that I used the transmitter and voila...it started! I had to play around a bit with the crank time with the starter but it seems to work great. I am still using voltage sense instead of the tach wire, but as long as it works, heck with it.

I only have one more concern (yeah right)...my rear hatch does not seem to be triggering the alarm. What I mean is I can open the rear hatch without setting off the alarm. When I have the car running there is an icon on the instrument cluster (with a picture of the hatch open), and the dome light comes on so I know there is some sort of switch back there. The wiring guide I have does not show where the wire for it is at does anybody have any idea as to what I need to do to get the alarm to work with this as well?

Thank you all for your help!

Kev.

another-kelly

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Posted: August 11, 2004 at 9:06 AM / IP Logged

rear hatch pin is: neg. trigger, RED / black, pin B4 in gray 24 pin plug at BCM

Kev.

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Posted: August 11, 2004 at 9:59 AM / IP Logged

Thank you another-kelly! I'll check it out when I get home tonight.

Kev.

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