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2000 Cavy Radio Myth Debunked


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rjanes 
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Posted: September 10, 2004 at 12:16 PM / IP Logged  

Hi All:

       I hope that this coming from a newbie to the board won't upset anyone, but I've been hearing so much from different people, that I thought I would offer an end to this Myth once and for all.  I spoke to an installer today concerning the wire harness and trim kit for my 2000 Z24.  He informed me that he has NEVER had anyone come back with problems due to removing the RDS head unit, other than lost door chimes.  I was still unsure, so I figured I'd call the source - GM.  According to them, you MAY loose your door chimes on a 2000, he didn't think that the door chimes went throught the radio until 2003, but that's neither here or there.  So, according to GM, if you remove your factory head unit, the air bags WILL work, the computer will NOT go into a frenzy, your ABS WILL work.  I hope this ends this radio being the brains of the car myth.  It does for me at least.  I thought everyone may find it interesting, and reassuing for us Cavy owners.

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Posted: September 10, 2004 at 12:31 PM / IP Logged  
Thanks for the post and for a simple test to see if you have the chime built into the radio all you have to do is leave your key in the ignition and open the door & listen for the chime. If it's coming through the speakers then you have the chime through the radio, if not, then you don't 2000 Cavy Radio Myth Debunked -- posted image.
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Posted: September 10, 2004 at 1:06 PM / IP Logged  

i'll still continue to use the GMRC-01 module......

as i 've always said, there's two ways to do everything and one of them is properly.....

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Posted: September 10, 2004 at 1:11 PM / IP Logged  
Agreed. Until one side (GM) or the other (aftermarket harness manufacturers) fess up to what the real deal is, I will not take a chance on a customers vehicle. Better safe than sorry.
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Posted: September 10, 2004 at 4:23 PM / IP Logged  
I third the notion.    After selling a system to one of the know it all college kids, they attempted to intall it into a 02 monte carlo.    hehe    they thought the expensive harness i tried to sell them was not needed, But when they had to pay nearly $900 to have a new BCM installed I just laughed.   I warned them over and over and they refused to have me install it the proper way, I covered my ass though, they did sign papres expressing that all sales would be final and that i would not that any responsibility for damge or harm to vehicles or themselves.
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Yes, I am not going to risk causing air bag failure on a vehicle.  There must be a reason they designed an $80 adapter for these vehicles other than just wanting to make money.
 
Oh yeah, and you will lose the accessory wire that turns on the radio.  You will have to install a new wire and you'll lose that feature that keeps the radio on after turning off the key until the door is opened.
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Everybody’s right, and everybody's wrong.  Depending on the options your car is equipped with you may or may not need the adaptor. 

I talked to a (i cant remember his exact title) lead electronics technician at our local GMC/Chevy dealership and he told me this:  While some cars need the adapter, others do not.  It depends on the options in the vehicle.  However, none of those options are available on the Cavalier/Sunfire.  Monte Carlo, grandam and others may or may not have the options installed.  He told  me that there are some identifiers for the radio that would let me know if it needed the adaptor.  However, since i had the answer i needed i did not press for this information. 

This answer did not come easy; i had to try three dealerships and talk to maybe a dozen people.  Most of them had no idea what i was talking about ("an adaptor for what?").  They all told me there was no way that removing the radio would effect the airbags or antilock brakes.  As to what these options are, I don’t know that either, when i had my answer i felt that enough time had been expended on this install.

Would I put my life on the line with this information?  No.  Do I believe it?  Yes.  I'm pretty sure that guy didn’t spend 10min. with me blowing smoke up my ass.  I know that I put that deck in 4 years ago and the owner has never had a problem, in fact i have done 2 Cavaliers like that (no adaptor).

As to why they sell it...  It is necessary on some models, installers are not educated as to which cars need it and which do not.

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i hope your liability insurance is paid up in case these customers vehicles are ever in an accident and some critical SRS feature doesnt activate because of an open circuit in the class II buss........ is it really worth potentially being sued over saving some bottom basement customer 80 bucks???

it's like the lazy a** installers who dont put the safety hood pin switch in when installing remote starters.... do it properly or dont do it at all......

i am amazed daily at some of the cheap a** people on this forum who spend hours trying to find the cheapest, cheeziest way to do something without spending a penny... if you put a dollar value on the time you spend looking for the backyard mechanic solution, you could have done it properly  twice over.....

the professionals here will understand what i'm trying to say.... time is money...... and there are two ways to do every job, one of them being properly

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Posted: September 10, 2004 at 6:58 PM / IP Logged  
Well said.
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Posted: September 10, 2004 at 9:03 PM / IP Logged  
so veeerrrry verrryy true kgerry ,  it almost always takes longer to think about how to cut corners, and u usually end up fixing what you slacked off on in the future.
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