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Master Asylum 
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Posted: November 10, 2004 at 12:40 PM / IP Logged  

Ok I've spent a lot of time looking at material concerning the information of how an amp should match up with a speaker. I still can't really get how a few things work.

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I have 2 12" subs that have 200wRMS that are 4 ohm. I am using an amp that puts out 150wRMS x1 @ 4 ohms and 300wRMS x1 @ 2 ohms.

Concerning Parallel:

The calculation I get out for 2 4 ohm subs is 2. What exactly does this mean concerning the amp?

Concerning Series:

The calculation I get out for 2 4 ohms subs is 4. What exactly does this mean concerning the amp?

From what I've figured out, the amp will put out a bit more than 150wRMS for each speaker which I know is underpowered but I don't think I need to fully power or even over power right now. Also, is it ok to over power the speakers? Like if I run 250 or even 300 to a 200wRMS sub, will anything be a problem? Also can someone PLEASE explain to me how the hell this amp is going to put out that many watts to each speaker? I was under the impression you take the 150wRMS x1 @ 4 ohms and divide the 150 by 2 since it's gonna be powering 2 speakers instead of one... In this case I'd have 75wRMS x2 @ 4ohms which would suck (under 50% power would be really wasteful.).

1998 Monte Carlo w/
Eclipse CD8454
2xRockford 5.25" Power 2-way T152C
2xRockford 6"x9" Punch 3-way FRC4369
1xMemphis 16-MCH1300 5-channel
2xKicker 12" L5 Solobaric-2 Ohm
boxmaker85 
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Posted: November 10, 2004 at 1:01 PM / IP Logged  

Oh man... This stuff is great.  I'm not a guy for wiring or impedance but here goes.   The setup you've got now:  2 subs, handle 200 watts each and are 4 ohms single voice coil?  You've got one amp that puts out 150 watts at 4 ohms and 300 watts at 2 ohms?  Is this right?

Ok well an amp can handle certain ohm loads alright?  Most go between 4 ohms and down to 2 ohms.  Some go down to 1 ohm and a few are less then that.  Now with parallel you have two, four ohm subs wired down to 2 ohms.  The amp is now "seeing" 2 ohms b/c of the way you have them wired.  So it's able to put out more power (less resistance), 300 watts of power.  Now if you have 2 4 ohm subs wired in series you should have gotten 8 ohms.  This is when the amp has a larger resistance on it now.  Don't run the amp off this setup. You will get very little power and the amp might get screwed from this.

So when you have these subs hooked up in parallel you've got a amp that's putting out 300 watts at 2 ohms and it's hooked up to two subs wired in parallel at 2 ohms that's recieving those 300 watts.  An even 150 watts for each speaker.  Yes underpowered but it's not going to damage the speaker.  Underpowering a subwoofer WILL NOT DAMAGE IT!!!  Now overpowering is not bad, to a certain point.  250 will probably be ok.  What subs are they?  300 for one I would be careful with.  If you're gain's set right it would probably be ok but...

Master Asylum 
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Posted: November 11, 2004 at 9:56 AM / IP Logged  

Ok well that is making sense to me now. Yet everyone I have talked to so far in person has said the mono block amp will handle the 2 subs fine and put out over 150 for each speaker...

The subs are Rockford Stage 2 Punches and its using the P3001 Monoblock Punch Amp.

So 150 of 200 is ok for no damage. Will it still put out a good bump? (Assuming they both do receive 150 each.) This is a 1-channel amp, so it will have to be wired in series. Obviously if some other wiring guys could confirm that this will be lacking power I'd really like to know so I can start looking at a higher end amp. I am most likely going to a specialty place in Dayton, OH later or tomorrow to find out some info. I'd really appreciate anyone who knows their wires(no offense box) to speak up!

1998 Monte Carlo w/
Eclipse CD8454
2xRockford 5.25" Power 2-way T152C
2xRockford 6"x9" Punch 3-way FRC4369
1xMemphis 16-MCH1300 5-channel
2xKicker 12" L5 Solobaric-2 Ohm
boxmaker85 
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Posted: November 11, 2004 at 5:32 PM / IP Logged  
Yeah not to their full potential but they will bump.  As far as power handleing those subs could handle a good 250 watts each from an amp.  Almost anyone will say this.  RMS is and advised power rating.  Some peole don't go over it by a hair but some will run 500 watts to a 200 watt speaker.  If the gain's set right it's almost impossible to blow a speaker (except for outrageous power to a small sub).  But yeah that sounds good for those RF's.  Good luck.
Master Asylum 
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Posted: November 11, 2004 at 6:03 PM / IP Logged  

Actually I went to a place tonight and I have decided to upgrade the package to a better system that I like a lot more.

Going to go with 2 12" Kicker L5 Subs and run a 1100 Watt Class-D Memphis 5-channel amp to power that and my interior speakers. Should pound so beast like. I got to actually here the power of these damn subs as if they were in my car(Wired like one and such running through amps and such.) Gonna post and see what people think.

1998 Monte Carlo w/
Eclipse CD8454
2xRockford 5.25" Power 2-way T152C
2xRockford 6"x9" Punch 3-way FRC4369
1xMemphis 16-MCH1300 5-channel
2xKicker 12" L5 Solobaric-2 Ohm
boxmaker85 
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Posted: November 11, 2004 at 7:26 PM / IP Logged  
Kicker solos are nice loud subs.  Not super on sq but still good for a powerful sub.  Sounds like a good setup.
Master Asylum 
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Posted: November 12, 2004 at 8:50 PM / IP Logged  
Ok I actually figured out today how they were planning on pulling 150wRMS to each of those subs. The amp is bridgeable, which obviously you bridge 2 4-ohm subs down to 2 ohms which gives you 300wRMS to work with, divide by 2, you get 150/sub. Woohoo (I apparently overlooked that option.)
1998 Monte Carlo w/
Eclipse CD8454
2xRockford 5.25" Power 2-way T152C
2xRockford 6"x9" Punch 3-way FRC4369
1xMemphis 16-MCH1300 5-channel
2xKicker 12" L5 Solobaric-2 Ohm

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