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Backup Battery Relay Wiring?


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ak96ss 
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Posted: January 09, 2005 at 6:28 AM / IP Logged  
I haven't gotten any responses from the Relay forum yet, so I'll give it a shot here.  I'm getting ready to install a backup battery in my 1991 318is for the Alpine SEC-8048 alarm system I put in. Will the set up below work to
  • Isolate the backup battery to prevent draining it if I leave my lights on, and
  • trigger the alarm when main power is cut.
Backup Battery Relay Wiring? - Last Post -- posted image.
Thoughts? Did I get this right? How large a diode should I use to protect the circuit that leads to the alarm's backup battery connection? I've got the parking lights isolated with a relay, so the backup battery should only be running the main unit and the siren.
Thanks!
John
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Posted: January 10, 2005 at 4:52 AM / IP Logged  

Maybe its me and its way to late, im not sure.

But it seems to me that the last 2 relays are backwards. It looks to me that if you lose voltage all together from your 1st relay than your 30 and 87a on the second are going to have continuity, thats where your negative should be, not on 87. Because the way its wired now, it looks like it passes ground when its energized. 

Then on your 3rd relay (charging relay) when you have ign hot, your 87 and 30 are going to have continuity which from the looks of it, thats not what you want. You only want the battery to charge while you the ign on. So I would change constant from 87a to 87. Let me know what you think

ak96ss 
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Posted: January 10, 2005 at 10:28 AM / IP Logged  

Not too late at all, I've had no replies yet...   :-)

OK, good calls.  I've got a new diagram here.

Relays 1 and 2 are to set the alarm off when the main vehicle battery is disconnected.  I made changes to Relay 1after I read your comments - constant +12V energizes the coil, and keeps the circuit open (continuity between 30 and 87, with no connection on 87).  When the +12V is gone, such as when the battery is disconnected, terminals 87a and 30 will have continuity, passing +12V from the backup battery from terminal 30 on relay 1 to terminal 85 on relay 2.  This will energize relay 2's coil, completing the circuit from terminal 87 to 30, which is ground, which should cause the (-) trigger of the alarm to set off the alarm.

I also changed relay 3 - when the ignition is on, it passes current to terminal 85, energizing the coil and applying +12V to terminal 30, which should recharge the battery.  When the ignition is off, it will de-energize the coil, isolating the back-up battery from the vehicle power.

Backup Battery Relay Wiring? - Last Post -- posted image.

How's that?


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