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mrdragon 
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Posted: January 10, 2005 at 6:18 AM / IP Logged  
Hi guys,
I got all the info on my Pioneer TSW305C sub, when i try to input into WinISD the got the following errors "Floating point division by zero"???.
So i am just wondering is there any another similar program out there like WinISD, so that i can download to work on designing my sub???
Thanks :)
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Posted: January 10, 2005 at 7:04 AM / IP Logged  

That bit of geek-speak in the dialogue box is the way of telling you that the program is trying to make a calculation and a number doesn't add up.  It could happen if you type in a new model name and then forget to go to the 'parameters' tab to input the numbers.  It can also show up if you don't input enough parameters in that field....and an error can also occur if you input all the numbers but they don't add up to what the program figures...

Such as 'Qts', which is derived from the values 'Qes' and 'Qem'.  If you put in both 'Qes' and 'Qem' in the parameters field, then you should just Tab (click) through 'Qts' and you'll see the calculated number fill in using a different color.

When you see that "Floating point..." box, go back to the parameters tab of the woofer you're trying to work with.  You pull it up by using the top tool bar drop-down menu > Utilities > Database Editing > find your speaker from the scroll list and go to the parameters tab.  Type in the T/S parameters.

Play around with the program for awhile and you'll see how things work.  It would be worth the effort to be able to use a free program...and there's no spyware embedded either.  I close the program out and then bring it back up whenever that  "Floating...." box pops up.  Then I know to go to the parameters field and see if I've put in some T/S values for that particular woofer.

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Posted: January 10, 2005 at 8:34 AM / IP Logged  

Sure, there are many enclosure modeling programs out there.  Run a google search and you'll quickly come up with many.  Shoot, there's even a free one called BlauBox on this site under downloads->software.

Some are very expensive, complex, and full featured.  Others, like "Sealed Designer," are very very simple. 

I personally always recommend WinISD because it is 1) free 2) relatively easy to use and already has a huge driver database 3) relatively powerful for quick guestimates

For practical advice on using it, see Stevdart's helpful post above.

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mrdragon 
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Posted: January 10, 2005 at 10:29 AM / IP Logged  
OK i just re-enter again all the values with "Auto Calculate Unknowns" ticked!!!!
Pioneer TS-W 305C
[Parameters]
Z=4
Fs=32.7
Pe=400
SPL=89
Re=3
Le=2.11
BL=15.99
Xmax=0.0092
Cms=0
Qms=9
Qes=0.35
Qts=0.39
Rms=0
Mms=0
Sd=0.046
Vas=51.5
Dia=0.3
DualVC=0
Type=0
And this is the parameter error list:
Bl, Fs, Mms, Re Qes
RME, BI, Re
Qts, Qms, Qes
Mpow, Rme
no, Sd, BI, Mms, Re
no, SPL, rho, c
Vd, Sd, Xmax
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Posted: January 10, 2005 at 1:38 PM / IP Logged  
Where did you get those T/S parameters?  Here's the T/S numbers from Pioneer's web site: Z= 4ohms; Fs = 32.7Hz; Qms = 15.095; Qes = 0.348; Qts = 0.34; Vas = 51.449 litres; Xmax = 9.2mm; speaker displacement = 2.36 litres.  Pioneer recomends a 1.5 cuft (42.5 litres) sealed enclosure, or a 1.68 cuft (49.7 litres) vented with a 3" diameter X 8" long round port.  This sub is designed for use in a vented enclosure for best performance.
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mrdragon 
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Posted: January 10, 2005 at 10:08 PM / IP Logged  
Ok finally got it working, this is my first time using WinISD, can someone tell me what is my objective when designing my sub. I looking at the graph and don't understand it at all :(
Is there a tutorial on it or somthing????
Cheers :)

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