kfr01 wrote:
You don't gain the key benefits of bi-amping if you still use the passive crossovers.
Some folks, DYohn included, like the voicing of passive crossovers. Cool, great, wonderful. I have absolutely no arguments against that.
However, this is NOT the type of bi-amping the Elliot article and others about true bi-amping are talking about. Again, if you use the passive crossovers you lose just about all benefit of bi-amping. |
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It is true, you do not gail all of the benefits of bi-amping if you maintain the passive crossovers... Damping is the biggest loss - it goes out the window. However there have been discussions on this very website (I'll see if I can locate some of them) about the alleged benefits of damping, and I for one STILL don't know how I feel about it in regards to bass frequencies - the jury is still out, but I *DO* feel pretty stongly that in higher frequencies, say above 250 or so, DF has LITTLE to do with anything. If you leave the midbass crossover in place, whether you are bi-amping or not, the DF is going to be adversely affected below this aforementioned 250Hz point.
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Here's a few articles about damping factor...) Some of the links don't actually have to do with damping factor in our sense of the discussion, but others do...
kfr01, I am just curious, though... what about the(se) article(s) make(s) you suggest that one or the other of the articles is not what the OTHER article is talking about?
kfr01 wrote:
(Unless you do some sort of hybrid thing like haemphyst was talking about on that linked post. I've never tried anything like that, so I can't speak to how effective it is. My knee jerk reaction is that the different crossover points and the both active and passive crossovers might cause some phase problems that interfere with the very voicing we're trying to maintain... but I'm a noob when it comes to passive crossover design, so I'd like to hear DYohn's, Stevdart's, and Haemphyst's opinions on this). |
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Generally speaking, I would go one way or the other as well, but I was just trying to suggest one possible way of getting a few benefits of both worlds. There is no free lunch, we all know this, but in some cases there may be a cheap lunch, and a few trades in one direction or the other might account for an acceptable "loss".
Passive crossovers are dirty places, and generally, I do not like to go there. I am a very strong proponent of active crossovers, and now that I have used digital active crossovers, I'll probably never go back. The WORST of the crossover distortions (primarily phase angle distortions) can be easily fixed, by simply reversing wires at the driver or the amp. (The rules following are applicable to both active (analog only - not digital) and passive components.) EACH 6dB of crossover slope on the high-pass will be a +90°, and EACH 6dB of crossover slope on the low pass will be a -90°. In this case, though, a plus does not cancel a minus out. They are still additive, so if you have a tweeter and a woofer, each at 6dB slopes, one the tweeter will be 180° out of phase from the woofer - which can be fixed by reversing the wires on the tweeter - voila! back in phase. For each 180° of phase, all you have to do is reverse the leads again.
deocder wrote:
Another advantage of using the passive crossover is DC current protection. I'd hate to burn up my tweeters because of a DC transient introduced while turning the amp on or off.
Elliot provides a protection schematic here. Has anyone used something like this in their system? Is it overkill? Has anyone ever fried their tweeters because they did not use a protection circuit? |
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That seems like a lot of work... There really is no such thing as overkill when it comes to our systems, now is there? If overkill were not an option, we wouldn't be having this kind of discussion, now would we? LOL
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."