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vbel 
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I know that a 16 gauge wire is fine for subs, but what if the sub is located about 7-10 feet from its amp? Amp puts out 600 wrms and sub can handle 500 wrms. Will I be ok with 16 gauge?
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Not according to the chart... https://www.the12volt.com/info/recwirsz.asp
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Wire Size 2 ohm load 4 ohm load 6 ohm load 8 ohm load
22 AWG3 feet max6 feet max9 feet max12 feet max
20 AWG5 feet max10 feet max15 feet max20 feet max
18 AWG8 feet max15 feet max23 feet max30 feet max
16 AWG12 feet max25 feet max37 feet max50 feet max
14 AWG20 feet max40 feet max
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12 AWG31 feet max
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10 AWG50 feet max
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dwarren that's power and ground chart.  Do you use 4 or 2 gauge for your 15" subs?Which wire gauge for a far away sub? -- posted image.
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hi,

this has been about posted before...use this to help

http://www.h-o-alternators.com/TechCalcs/speakerwireselectorassistanthoalt.swf

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The above mentioned group of calculators are handy...everyone should save them to file.  The basic way to find how much amperage could possibly be carried through a wire so that you can select the proper wire gauge is to use Ohm's Law.  Use two known factors to find the third.

Which wire gauge for a far away sub? -- posted image.

In this case you know the power output of the amp and you know the impedance load that this output is going into.  So to find current use I = SQR(P/R).  If the impedance load is 2 ohms and you know that the amp may output 600 watts, the current would be 17.3 amps.  Peaks in the output would not have to be considered because if they occur at all they would be very short durations.

With 17.3 amps as your current, consult a wire gauge like those listed on this site (linked above by dwarren).  The chart shows that 16 guage is good to 15 amps, so you could step up to 14 gauge.  Mind you, the vast majority of the time the current will be well under 15 amps, so 16 ga. is what I would use if it were me.  But just for the sake of being detail-oriented, the chart says to go to 14 gauge.

Using a beefier wire like 14 gauge, you wouldn't need to worry about the run length.  But if you were to use 16 ga. you might also look at loss that could occur if your wire gets to be on the long side.  You can see by using the calculator (linked above by Ween) that the loss with the smaller 16 ga. wire would be minimal on a 10' run (only losing 1/3  db)...so using 16 ga. would be fine in any event.  Whatever wire you have on hand...

But if by chance you're running the amp at 1 ohm, you'll see a greater current and more of a reason to use 14 ga. speaker wire.

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Thanks everyone for help. The amp will run at 4 ohm, and according to all these charts and calculations, 16 gauge is sufficient. I just have a 50 feet roll of 16, that's why I want to use 16.
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16 gauge wire will be fine. I would personally use 14 gauge, but that's just me. You'll want to start to go bigger than that if you speaker is located over 50 feet away.
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Could double up the 16ga.... will give you an approx. 13ga equivalent.
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menace2sobriety wrote:
Wire Size 2 ohm load 4 ohm load 6 ohm load 8 ohm load
22 AWG3 feet max6 feet max9 feet max12 feet max
20 AWG5 feet max10 feet max15 feet max20 feet max
18 AWG8 feet max15 feet max23 feet max30 feet max
16 AWG12 feet max25 feet max37 feet max50 feet max
14 AWG20 feet max40 feet max
*******
*******
12 AWG31 feet max
*******
*******
*******
10 AWG50 feet max
*******
*******
*******

dwarren that's power and ground chart.  Do you use 4 or 2 gauge for your 15" subs?Which wire gauge for a far away sub? -- posted image.

Damn right I do! You can never go too big.

Damn, that was a late night post, what was I thinking. I thought those were a little offWhich wire gauge for a far away sub? -- posted image.

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