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sh0wty 
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Posted: February 21, 2006 at 7:49 PM / IP Logged  
I will check tomorrow. And report back.
Couple of things I have to look into.
1. The engine noise is unbearable now when the amp was installed. And now seems a bit higher after I rewired the channels.
2. Im having my doubts whether there is something wrong with that channel that wasnt wired. It sounds great, but when the volume is toned down you can hear like a 'murmur' (If that makes any sense) but when turned up it sounds good. Anyone know if this is a sign of the channel gone bad?
tomfin2000 
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sh0wty wrote:
1. The engine noise is unbearable now when the amp was installed. And now seems a bit higher after I rewired the channels.
2. Im having my doubts whether there is something wrong with that channel that wasnt wired. It sounds great, but when the volume is toned down you can hear like a 'murmur' (If that makes any sense) but when turned up it sounds good. Anyone know if this is a sign of the channel gone bad?

This is ridiculous.   Before I go on a tirade and start throwing out more advice, I have a couple of questions for you:

1)  Did you buy the amp new?

2)  Did you buy the amp from an authorized dealer?

3)  Was the amp installed by the dealer you bought it from?

4)  If the amp was not installed by the dealer you bought it from, was it installed by an individual, a retail chain, or an independent shop?

sh0wty 
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1 - USED

2- Bought it from the guy who works at the shop.  It was his own personal equipment.

3- Yes they installed it at the shop.

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First of all u shouldn't have left the workshop until the sound was right. 50W RMS is plenty of power for your ears. I don't think the distortions have anything to do with the amp being too powerful for the speakers. The problems could be :

- Bad wiring of the speakers (wich can be seen on the pictures)

- Bad settings of the crossovers > Theoretically u should set the crossover point at double the Fs of the speaker. U can set it lower but with a steep slope but don't go beyond the Fs.

- Bad/No acoustical treatment of the front door > people often blame it on speakers that can't handle the power !

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remarkable53 
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i noticed that your factory system had the mach system in it? Did the shop who installed your amp rewire bypassing the amp? Sounds to me they didn't. If the installer did not wire past the factory amp it will sound just like you described, distorted. The mach system is a bitch and most installers don't want to go and tear out the psgr rear quarter panel to bypass the thing. Good luck     mark
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Get your money back NOW. This guy blantently sold you an amp that has a bad channel. He knew it had a bad channel and wired around it hoping you wouldn't noticed. He is a liar and a cheat! You cannot trust anything he says or does. Take him to small claims court if he doesn't immediately refund both the price of the amp and the install fee. I HATE idiots like this that give our industry a bad name.
There is no such thing as free installation!
sh0wty 
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Thanks for all the input fella's, im gonna pay him a visit. Thing is though all the speakers are sounding great, just that strange noise i hear when the volume is low coming from the channel that wasnt wired. Sounds like a low murmur but when cranked up it sounds ok. I dont want to go saying that the amp has a bad channel when I really do not know if it does..
sh0wty 
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Oh also, No Mach System in my expedition.
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tcss hit it square on the head.  You should do exactly as he suggested.
Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
tomfin2000 
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sh0wty wrote:
Thanks for all the input fella's, im gonna pay him a visit. Thing is though all the speakers are sounding great, just that strange noise i hear when the volume is low coming from the channel that wasnt wired. Sounds like a low murmur but when cranked up it sounds ok. I dont want to go saying that the amp has a bad channel when I really do not know if it does..

You sound like me back in the day when I was the consumate nice guy, always making excuses for people who screwed me over.

TCSS is right.  C'mon on, man.   He knew EXACTLY what he was doing.  Do you want to know where your engine noise most likely comes from?  It most likely comes from running a crappy set of RCAs on the same side of the car as the power wire running from the battery to the amp.  With a good set of RCAs, this probably wouldn't be an issue, but from what I can see in your pictures, you've got a crappy set of RCAs.

Everything this guy did from top to bottom is probably crap.   I'd be shocked if you have the right guage of power wire, the right fuse near your battery, and a good ground near the applifier.

Personally, I don't think you want him (or anyone else from his shop) touching your car.   Here's what I would do:

1.)  Fine a GOOD, REPUTABLE shop.

2.)  Have them bench test your amp.

3.)  If the amp is good, have them completely reinstall it for you with a brand new wiring kit.

4.)  If the amp is bad, either buy a new amp from the shop or just have the old amp removed and go back to running your speakers off deck power for awhile.

5.) Have the shop do a write up of exactly what's wrong with the amp and everything that was done incorrectly on the original install.

6.) Bring the old amp and all the wiring back to the guy that sold it to you, show him the write up from the shop,  and tell him in a calm and professional manner that you want your money back.  If he refuses, tell him that you are ready to take legal action.  If he still refuses, then leave quietly and file a claim.  If he threatens you, then tack that onto the complaint as well.

I dont' know how much you paid for the amp and the installation, but if you decide that it's not worth the aggravation and want to skip step No. 6,  that's your call, but do yourself a favor and at least take steps 1 to 5.  If you have issues with your power wire and fuse, you could end up having much bigger problems than an amp with a lame channel.

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