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tdeath 
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 12:30 PM / IP Logged  

Appreciate the response, when you say smooth the port, should I take sandpaper around the edges to more or less flare it out evenly?  And adding cross braces may be a pain at this point with all the wood glue, torx screws, etc, but if it will help substantially I'd be willing to do it.  The box is all 3/4" MDF btw, and out of curiosity what effect does it have on which sub I wire out of phase(inverted, or non)?  The port terminates 2.5" from the rear wall of the box also,  and what exactly do you mean by terminating into the shared air volume of both subs, just equally? - Anyway, a lot of that would probably be a pain to change, I might as well build another one opposed to all these modifications, I might just run out and get another sheet of MDF, I definitely appreciate the help, keep it coming :).

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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 3:45 PM / IP Logged  
Terminating into the shared volume as in the same chamber as both subs are in...Your good though on where your vent is.
Smooth out the edges of the vent i.e. flare out the ends a lil bit.
You could build "the wicked one" from decware.com
This box will probably yield more spl than your current box. But it is a little tricky to build at first.
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Cool, about to go start sanding on that, I don't really have any port noise as the velocity is pretty low, but if it helps it's worth a shot. I like that wicked one box, heck I like a lot of those boxes decware has on display, nice site thx for the info there. Bandpass boxes from what I hear are not forgiving and difficult to build so I can understand that. And oh, a question, rather than rewiring the inverted sub to be in phase and the other not, couldn't I just use the 0-180 phase shift switch on my amp? Thx again for the help.
peace bro,
Jeremy
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Oh, and one other question, will flaring the port have any effect on tuning frequency?
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 7:45 PM / IP Logged  

You can't use the 180 switch because it reverses polarity on both subs that are hooked to it.  You can change the wiring polarity on either of the two subs, just as long as one is opposite in polarity than the other one.  Once that is done, you should experiment with the 180 switch to find the best overall phase (output) with the rest of your system.  About the suggestions I made, I thought:  1.  That you were already going to build a new box, and 2.  That the pic made it look like it was built out of 1/2" stock.  Bracing would be a big pain to do in this finished box.

As for flaring the opening:  as it looks now the opening is squared and looks a little rough.  Putting a nice roundover edge on it will smooth port turbulence and lend a more professional touch to it.  Fb won't be affected.  But 2.5" is a bit close to the back wall, IMO.  There is an amount of airspace needed at each end of the port that actually functions as part of the acoustic port length.  The general rule of thumb is to leave the equivalent of the port diameter (when talking about a round port) to be sure you've allowed for ample space for true port function.  Since the equivalent round port diameter is much wider than the narrowest width of your slotted port...it would be in the neighborhood of 5 or 6" I would guess...I suggested a bare minimum of 3 or 4".  I would design it to leave 5 or 6", and that would be determined by finding the equivalent round port diameter first.

And you know you must do something about that wiring coming out of the port.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
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Yeah, the the wire running there is temporary, I just need to get a terminal block and get out my hole saw kit. Does this have any adverse effects on performance? And btw, I already wired them out of phase electrically so they would still be in phase mechanically, I just wasn't sure from what you said earlier if it mattered which driver was reverse polarity. So the rule you are talking about(port distance from back of the box) applies also to slot ports? Man you guys know what you're talking about, wish I would have discovered these forums sooner..
late,
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Posted: June 28, 2006 at 10:28 PM / IP Logged  

Ok, subs are already wired properly then.  And yep, a port is a port.  Here's an illustration of the acoustic port length vs. the actual physical port length:

enclosure design/vibration issues - Page 2 -- posted image.

I don't know any math to calculate the actual space needed, so I just use the rule of thumb I mentioned.  What you have may be enough and it's not something in itself to have to build a new box to change.

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Well tdeath that wicked one box is not a bandpass box...it is a horn loaded enclosure. Normal bandpass box is a one not wonder. The horn wicked one has a repsonse frequency of around 20 up to 100 hertz. And it has a higher effieciency so you may get more outta your subs.
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I need to get some new subs, I just don't want to lose the warranty on these...can't beat that lifetime warranty(because they're bought from walmart and all :). My friends and others tend to laugh at the speakers though until they hear the output exceeding what they have, which wasn't possible until recently as I had them in a sealed enlosure before and blew them both up frying the coil on one, and some how the spider disconnected from the cone on the other(?); never had that happen before. If I wasn't worried about wasting money(a little short on it now..) I would go get some new drivers, but until I do I will probably stick with this box, Ima go buy some sandpaper now do a little touchup here and there, and then carpet it.. I think it will look much nicer with the carpet.. How can I tell the effeciency of my enclosure? Anyway, thanks again man.
Jeremy
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