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mech3 
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I believe i was told a long time ago that its a bad idea to solder the speaker with directly to the positive and negative leads because the heat can damage the voice coil. Is this true, i am planning on redoing all my wire runs for my mids and hi's and was thinking about soldering the connections if it wont damage the speakers.
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The heat can cause the glue to fail, the plastic to melt.  The voice coil is not the issue.  I use only F-disconnects of the proper size to connect speakers.  I want to be able to disconnect them from the wiring at will.  But I know a lot of experienced pros solder the wires onto them.
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thanks for the reply, i was thinking of soldering the connections just for the best possible connection. That makes sense about the heat causing the glue to fail etc. Im thinking if you tin the wire and dont hold the iron to the speaker terminal for a prolonged time it should be safe, well we will see. On a seperate note, do you installers out there prefer silver speaker wire over copper. I recently replaced my sub speaker wire with stinger expert series silver speaker wire and I really believe i heard a difference. I ordered up 75 feet of 14 gauge silver speaker wire to redo my mids and highs so hopefully i'll notice a difference. I just was wondering all of your proffessional opinions-
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some people claim they notice a difference. Usually more of am impact on mids/highs. maybe you will notice it there too!
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You won't notice a difference.
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You shouldn't be holding it there long enough to cause it to heat up significantly, anyways ...  If you do, you need to work on your soldering skills ...

Of course, I wouldn't solder the wire to the terminals, anyways.

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mech3 wrote:
On a seperate note, do you installers out there prefer silver speaker wire over copper. I recently replaced my sub speaker wire with stinger expert series silver speaker wire and I really believe i heard a difference. I ordered up 75 feet of 14 gauge silver speaker wire to redo my mids and highs so hopefully i'll notice a difference. I just was wondering all of your proffessional opinions-

There is really no reason to use anything other than copper wire, and no real reason to use anything larger that 16 AWG.  There is no meaningful measurable difference in signal integrity between silver, copper, silver-plated copper, oxygen-free copper, or solid gold wire.  Most reported differences "heard" by people are completely subjective and at least partly due to the listener desiring to hear a difference (AKA the placebo effect.)  All genuine double-blind tests that I have ever seen or read about support the fact that people cannot reliably hear any real difference in speaker wires - or between interconnect cables, for that matter.

If it makes you feel better, if you believe you hear a difference, or if you simply like the looks of it, more power to you.  But my recommendation is to spend your money on better speakers (no matter what you're currently using) before spending it on expensive or esoteric wire.

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DYohn wrote:
... no real reason to use anything larger that 16 AWG. 
1200 watts @ 1 ohm
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jmac279 wrote:
DYohn wrote:
... no real reason to use anything larger that 16 AWG. 
1200 watts @ 1 ohm

Correct.  16AWG.  Typical losses would be less than 0.3db with 1200 watts into 1 ohm.  Only an issue if you are a serious competitor.

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DYohn wrote:

jmac279 wrote:
DYohn wrote:
... no real reason to use anything larger that 16 AWG. 
1200 watts @ 1 ohm

Correct.  16AWG.  Typical losses would be less than 0.3db with 1200 watts into 1 ohm.  Only an issue if you are a serious competitor.

Theoretical voltage loss, and subsequent output loss, based on resistance at room temperature ...  16 gauge would heat up significantly with 34.6 amperes going through it ...
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