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nhoj_yelbom 
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Posted: September 05, 2006 at 7:18 PM / IP Logged  

i have a alpine sec-100s currently with one led, and i want to have ten total. in the manual it says i can only have 5 in series and not in parallel. how can i have all 10 working? props for any help

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Posted: September 06, 2006 at 3:06 AM / IP Logged  
why 10 LED's thats first question.
i'd have thought 5 would be over kill
anyways i'm sure you have your reasons. you could use you ground when armed to trigger flashing LED's problem with that is. they won't flash trouble codes. thats presuming you want all LED's to flash codes
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nhoj_yelbom 
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Posted: September 06, 2006 at 4:23 PM / IP Logged  
its an led scanner and i wired 5 up as the manual specifies but none light up, if i remove them the one lights up. but how can i have all 10
nhoj_yelbom 
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Posted: September 06, 2006 at 8:28 PM / IP Logged  
my alpine manual says 5 is the most
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With only 12V driving the LEDs you probably won't be able to drive 10 LEDs with a series hookup to full brightness, because that only gives each LED 1.2V, which isn't enough.

If you want to drive 10 LEDs, you'd have to break up the connections into at least two strings, with 5 on each side, and you'll need to use an external current source circuit, since your module only outputs a fixed current at 12V.  You can use a few transistors in a current mirror configuration for that-

Are you sure you're hooking up your 5 LEDs in series, when you say they don't light up that way, but one LED does?  It has to be end to end, and make sure they're all pointing in the same direction, because if you have one of them backwards, they won't light up at all. 

Make sure the LEDs you're trying to use are bare LEDs also; if they have built in dropping resistors and are intended to be driven by 12V directly, it won't work in the series configuration you're using. When your one LED is on, measure the voltage across it to see what you get; it should be under 3V.

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Posted: September 08, 2006 at 5:17 AM / IP Logged  
well explained dual
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Posted: September 10, 2006 at 5:28 PM / IP Logged  
Also wondering why your getting into wiring each LED in a scanner. Is this a pre-built LED scanner or something your making from scratch. Any pre-made scanner should have it's own circuitry. Just curious as to what your calling a scanner.
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nhoj_yelbom 
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Posted: September 27, 2006 at 12:51 PM / IP Logged  

it was 10 leds and a circuitboard to make it scan when 12volts was supplyed, some one gave it to me and the cicuitboard was fried so i wired them up without it. they are bare leds.dualsport how can i make that external current source circuit.

thanks

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Did you confirm that your alarm output works with the 5 LEDs in series? From your description of the manual, it seems to indicate it's a constant current output, but you mentioned it didn't work with 5 LEDs, so I'm wondering what kind of output your alarm actually has.
Before rigging up a constant current circuit, you have to know what kind of signal you're using to drive it with.
When the LEDs light up, what voltage do you see at the alarm output? If you hook up the one LED, do you see something in the range of about 2V or something else?
When it's off, do you see 0V at the output or battery voltage?
nhoj_yelbom 
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Posted: October 01, 2006 at 8:47 PM / IP Logged  
yes, it works with 5 leds in series.
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