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02z06 
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Hi. I'm installing a Prostart RS in my 1996 Saturn with a manual trans. It doesn't have power locks, trunk or any power options for that matter. I have a couple of questions regarding the wiring diagram supplied by prostart which I have attached. There are two red wires from the RS with 30A fuses inline. One listed as +12V (Battery) and the other 12V (Battery).
1. Why do they list polarity for one and not the other?
2. Can I pick up 12V (red) from the ignition for both of these wires or should I run direct to the battery?
3. There is also a green wire listed as the 5th relay. Is this for the Ignition 2 wire in my car and do I need to run an extra relay on my particular model?
4. Finally the 12 conductor harness from RS with the small awg wire looks to be for alarm and other power features my car does not have. Can I just omit it from install?
Thanks for any help.
The Wiring Diagram
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dre187 
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1. I'm not sure, but they're both the same thing....typo maybe?

2. yes, you can get the 12v from the ignition switch.

3. can be used as either 2nd starter, 2nd ignition, 2nd accc. theres a jumper on the back of th brain that can be adjusted. in your case for 2nd ignition make sure the jumper is in the middle. (comes like that standard anyway)

4. for a manual tranny you need to connect the parking brake wire (orange), the door trigger (grey i think), and the ground-out-when running(white) for the clutch bypass. if your car has a factory alarm you also need the disarm and arm wires. check your wiring diagram to double check the wire colours because i could be mistaken. for a manual tranny remote start, you need to put a sequence to get your car in "ready mode". its all in the manuals.

02z06 
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dre187 wrote:

1. I'm not sure, but they're both the same thing....typo maybe?

2. yes, you can get the 12v from the ignition switch.

3. can be used as either 2nd starter, 2nd ignition, 2nd accc. theres a jumper on the back of th brain that can be adjusted. in your case for 2nd ignition make sure the jumper is in the middle. (comes like that standard anyway)

4. for a manual tranny you need to connect the parking brake wire (orange), the door trigger (grey i think), and the ground-out-when running(white) for the clutch bypass. if your car has a factory alarm you also need the disarm and arm wires. check your wiring diagram to double check the wire colours because i could be mistaken. for a manual tranny remote start, you need to put a sequence to get your car in "ready mode". its all in the manuals.
Thanks very much dre. I'll connect the parking brake, door trigger and ground-out tomorrow and hopefully start it up. I ran the tach wire from the RS (purple) to the black injector wire. I read here somewhere that this is ok. I couldn't locate the tach wire in the car as I really didn't want to pull the cluster out to find it.
02z06 
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Thanks very much dre. I'll connect the parking brake, door trigger and ground-out tomorrow and hopefully start it up. I ran the tach wire from the RS (purple) to the black injector wire. I read here somewhere that this is ok. I couldn't locate the tach wire in the car as I really didn't want to pull the cluster out to find it.
dre187 
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im not too sure about the black wire, but i know you can get a good signal from the coil. the wire is PURPLE / white (sometimes just white) in a plug  to the right of the exhaust manifold. its behind the spark plug wires. keep in mind with prostart you NEED to connect the hoodpin switch (which you should do anyways) because its required for ALL programming. do you know how to bypass the clutch for remote start?
02z06 
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dre187 wrote:
im not too sure about the black wire, but i know you can get a good signal from the coil. the wire is PURPLE / white (sometimes just white) in a plug  to the right of the exhaust manifold. its behind the spark plug wires. keep in mind with prostart you NEED to connect the hoodpin switch (which you should do anyways) because its required for ALL programming. do you know how to bypass the clutch for remote start?
Ok dre. I have it on the injector right now and if the car won't stay running I'll switch it to the coil. There is no PURPLE / white on the coil but there is a white wire. I have the hoodpin connected also. The starter I have is the Prostart CT-3460 TW for manual trans cars. I was under the impression all I had to do was hook it up and unit would do the rest. 1.   Is there something else I have to do besides what's in the wiring schematic in my original post for the clutch switch?
2.   What is a ground while running and do I need it since I don't have any security features? My car is void of all luxuries prostart in a 96 saturn -- posted image. Thanks dre. You've been a big help.
dre187 
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ground out when running is a wire that simply provides a ground ONLY during remote start. it is used for many things like clutch bypass, transponder bypass etc. basically anything that needs to be activated during remote start. if you don't bypass the clutch, the vehicle won't remote start. if you want to see what will happen if you don't bypass it, try and start the car with the key and don't press the clutch.  if you look at the top of the clutch your going to see two switches. you need the one at the top. one switch is to recognize the clutch has been pushed a little bit and the other is to recognize the clutch has been completely pressed. each switch has two wires. when you push the clutch, the wires on each switch short together. your going to have to use a relay and wire it up like this.

pin 85- ground out when running from rs   86- 12v constant    30- tap onto one of the wires on the switch  87a - N/A   87 tap onto the other wire on the switch

this way, the remote start will simulate that your foot pressing the clutch for remote start. if you want to test and make sure you have the right switch, strip a little of each wire on the switch, short them together and try and start the car with the key. if it starts, you have the right swtich. just make sure your car is in neutral with the e-brake up...

02z06 
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dre187 wrote:

ground out when running is a wire that simply provides a ground ONLY during remote start. it is used for many things like clutch bypass, transponder bypass etc. basically anything that needs to be activated during remote start. if you don't bypass the clutch, the vehicle won't remote start. if you want to see what will happen if you don't bypass it, try and start the car with the key and don't press the clutch.  if you look at the top of the clutch your going to see two switches. you need the one at the top. one switch is to recognize the clutch has been pushed a little bit and the other is to recognize the clutch has been completely pressed. each switch has two wires. when you push the clutch, the wires on each switch short together. your going to have to use a relay and wire it up like this.

pin 85- ground out when running from rs   86- 12v constant    30- tap onto one of the wires on the switch  87a - N/A   87 tap onto the other wire on the switch

this way, the remote start will simulate that your foot pressing the clutch for remote start. if you want to test and make sure you have the right switch, strip a little of each wire on the switch, short them together and try and start the car with the key. if it starts, you have the right swtich. just make sure your car is in neutral with the e-brake up...
Well dre, I didn't get to read your post before I went to my dad's to try to finish it up. I didn't hook up the ground while running but I will tomorrow. I had a couple of other issues.
The door trigger, it says that it is a white wire under the ashtray (I can't find it or I'm not sure how to make sure that is it/the only white wires I see go to RW defrost relay and to the Air bag module by the ebrake) but there are no white wires hooked up to the switches (pins) that turn on the dome light when you open each door. They are black and black w/white stripe. I connected the black wire from the door switch to the neg. door input on the RS. I'm not sure if this is correct.
The parking brake has a light blue and a black. I connected the RS parking brake orange to the black (neg) on the parking brake.
On the brake switch there are 2 light blue wires and both had +12V when I pushed the brake pedal so I just randomly chose one of them to connect to.
Anyway, obviously when I went to put the car in ready mode to use the starter there was no response at all. I figure I must have the door trigger wrong or the parking brake wrong. The ground while running wouldn't matter just to put the car in ready mode correct? The hood switch works fine (parking lights flash when I depress the pin). My dad's going to get me a relay tomorrow night from work and I'll give it another shot on Tuesday. Kind of shotty of Prostart to sell you a manual trans RS with no relay for the clutch and make no mention of it in the instructions.
Thanks again. I would have packed it in if you weren't helping me out.
02z06 
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BTW- I should ground the ground while running from the RS and then tap off that to the bypass relay correct?
Thanks.
02z06 
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02z06 wrote:
BTW- I should ground the ground while running from the RS and then tap off that to the bypass relay correct?
Thanks.
I can't edit my posts! Should I get 12V constant from the cigar lighter for the relay? I'm thinking I don't want it from ignition because of the high current passing through there. Also if I'm engaging the coil with the ground while running wire from the RS then I can't run it ground like I had planned on or the relay would be on all the time right? Sorry for all the questions, I think this will be my last RS install.prostart in a 96 saturn -- posted image.

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