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JWorm 
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Posted: May 24, 2007 at 6:58 AM / IP Logged  
I think my relay setup only would send a momentary pulse. It might even be too quick of a pulse that it wouldn't trigger the door lock relay long enough. I'm going to test that setup on the test bench this weekend and see how it reacts. Notice how I have the reverse wire connected to 87a and not 87.
Energizing the door lock actuators for a long period would not be a good idea.
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Posted: May 24, 2007 at 7:37 AM / IP Logged  

OK, missed that part.

You're output time is going to be a fraction of the total switching time of the relay, which will be measured in mS.

It would probably have a better chance of working if you tied:

Reverse Input -> 87A

+ Door lock output -> 30
Then, wire 30 to 86, so that the relay energizes AFTER the signal has already passed through the relay
Pin 85 to ground
I still think that the output here will be way too short to fire the actuators.

Another option would be to use pin 87 instead of 87A and use the diagram to convert a steady signal to a pulsed signal.

Kevin Pierson
JWorm 
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Posted: May 24, 2007 at 8:40 AM / IP Logged  
KPierson wrote:

OK, missed that part.

You're output time is going to be a fraction of the total switching time of the relay, which will be measured in mS.

It would probably have a better chance of working if you tied:

Reverse Input -> 87A

+ Door lock output -> 30
Then, wire 30 to 86, so that the relay energizes AFTER the signal has already passed through the relay
Pin 85 to ground
I still think that the output here will be way too short to fire the actuators.

Another option would be to use pin 87 instead of 87A and use the diagram to convert a steady signal to a pulsed signal.

I was just trying to minimize using capacitors, timer modules, speed pulse generators and those types of things. I don't think your relay setup would work. I think the relay would go ON-OFF-ON-OFF the whole time the car is in reverse. My relay setup would definitaly do a pulse, but that pulse may be too short.
There are a lot of different ways this could be done. Some are just more complicated than others. Personally, I would just add a couple valet buttons to use to trigger the relays already installed in the car for the power locks.
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Posted: May 24, 2007 at 10:35 AM / IP Logged  

Yeah, I had it a little backwards - I had a decent thought in my head but not thoroughly thought out.  You can make it work, but you'll need to add an isolation diode.  You should get a pulse, slightly longer then the other way, but still not long enough to work.

lock doors when vehicle starts moving - Page 2 -- posted image.

This will effectively switch the switching contacts from a 'break before make' to a 'make before break' setup by allowing voltage to flow through the NC contacts BEFORE energizing the coil.  I am fairly certain this setup will still yield a total pulse output of less then 10mS (0.010S), WAY too short to lock the doors (0.3 seconds is the minimum I would shoot for, with 0.5-6 being optimal, and 0.7-0.8 being conservative).

Kevin Pierson
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