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swerks 
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Posted: July 29, 2007 at 12:54 PM / IP Logged  
i would have the tranny diagnosed at a ford dealer they have the factory diagnosis equipment. the cc will have to pay rthe bill if it is determined it was the starter. solder and taping is the only way to go 3m tapes do not come off! super 33 can be used at -20C im from canada i know this butts and scotchlocks have no place in a car. heatshrink is great if you cut the wire but cutting should only be done if necessary
Steve Sverdahl
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johnmax 
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Posted: July 30, 2007 at 12:00 PM / IP Logged  

Did the remote start even work? If they were on the wrong tach, the unit would not have even learned the tach signal, thus never work. Unless they put it on voltage sense after they couldnt get it to learn tach.

I mean tach is easy to find anyway on that van. A caveman could do it... a capped WHITE/ pink with a CTO sticker on it under the hood.

stratorider 
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The only thing I can say, is that if the unit is set to tach sensing, it won't start without a tach signal. Believe me, I've tried :) It could've grounded out a wire it wasn't supposed to, I don't know, I'm not a Ford mechanic. Good luck suing Circuit City or DEI or whoeverTransmission Destroyed By Python 871xp - Page 14 -- posted image.
Mad Scientists 
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Posted: July 30, 2007 at 8:05 PM / IP Logged  

Well.. I've read through the entire post.. all 14 pages. Here's my thoughts.

Playing the D.A...

mabuffalo submits that Circuit City miswired the alarm system they installed and broke his transmission. Even if CC admits miswiring, it still needs to be proved that the miswiring caused the transmission failure. I think that's going to be the problem. Even though it's interesting that, according to mabuffalo, the failure occurred immediately after the remote start was installed, it has to be noted that he only had the vehicle for a short time. 

Looking at the pictures posted at mabuffalo's website, I noticed that the sun gear and planetary gears look damaged. As these gears are in constant mesh with one another, 'grinding the gears' isn't possible as compared to a manual transmission. While the transmission fluid does appear to be in good condition in the pictures, it should be noted that mabuffalo had recently purchased the vehicle and that the possibility exists that the fluid had been changed before the sale of said vehicle, possibly to conceal a pre-existing transmission problem.

It is alleged that the wiring for the alarm/remote start was connected improperly. It should be noted that plaintiff did arm/disarm and remote start vehicle in the parking lot of the defendant, and that proper and correct operation was observed. Problem was first noticed while dis-arming the anti-hijacking option of the unit while operating the vehicle.

... to drop out of legalese.. burden of proof lies with mabuffalo. He has to demonstrate that the miswiring of the unit was what caused the damage to the transmission. Without knowing how it was miswired, I can't really comment on that aspect of it, except to say that I would agree with mabuffalo's assessment that this would be an extremely rare failure mode.. if we apply Bishop Occam's theory to the information as stated (excluding any information not revealed; such as mileage of the van, statement of AAMCO as to cause and extent of damage, statement of indie shop detailing miswire and ramifications of same) then it doesn't seem likely.

Just my 0.02.. if I was presenting this, I'd have as an expert witness, at minimum, a tech with significant training, education and factory backing. The best I would expect out of this case would be to split costs between CC and mabuffalo.

Jim

EDIT: Michael, your circuitcity page on your website is in the wild.. it's available to the public. It shows up in searches, and Google.com cached it on July 22 - and they have it stored in their database. It's not private anymore, and available to anyone who wants to read it.

profuse007 
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Posted: July 30, 2007 at 9:11 PM / IP Logged  
Hey Michael,
I hope things are progressing. This will be a tough case, a lot of time will be spent through legal matters.
Anyways, can you rehost the pics of the tranny service?
Houston,TX
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voluster 
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Posted: July 31, 2007 at 11:16 AM / IP Logged  

I'm gonna ask a couple questions

How many miles were on this van?

you bought this used ?

I have seen quite a few of them transmissions in them ford vans take a dump more then once.

I used to work right next to a transmission shop and seen plenty of them vans in there having transmissions repaired. not the 1st time I've seen a sun gear and planeteries come apart like that.

NowYaKnow 
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Posted: July 31, 2007 at 8:42 PM / IP Logged  
I read through the thread quick, and checked some diagrams quick. It seems there is a WHITE/ pink wire for the RPM sensor (ie: tach signal) at the PCM, and multiple WHITE/ pink wires that go to various COP (coil on plugs). Any of them should work to program a remote start signal.
The WHITE/ pinks going to a COP probably wouldn't show varying voltage, but would still work fine and shouldn't damage anything. Should the wire short out, it would most likely fry that COP and cause the van to run rough. I'm not seeing how that severe damage could happen without other damage, like a fried PCM. Unless I missed this part, I see you reference a "fired" PCM a few times, but no mention of it being replaced.
Hopefully your indepenent shop found a different problem otherwise I can't see any connection. Of course stranger things have happened.. And yes tach signals shorting out is scary and usually kills whatever component is on the other end. Again I didn't dig too much or look very long, but I can't find a WHITE/ pink linked to the tranny in any way. I would assume CC would settle because $3k doesn't pay for their lawyers to get out of bed, much less build a case. Good luck with it let us know how it turns out,
Mike
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Posted: August 13, 2007 at 7:26 PM / IP Logged  
so any word on how the trial if any is progressing
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Posted: August 14, 2007 at 12:49 AM / IP Logged  
I actually just got finished reading this thread, and being a professional installer at circuit city, I would like to apologize for the poor experience that you had to deal with. Unfortunately, there are some installers that do not care about their work, and are simply there to pay the bills. There are some of us however that really do take pride in our work, and actually care about what we do. It is very unfortunate that those lazy installers make a bad name for all of us, but either way, as a representative of Circuit City, I would still like to apologize for the improper installation as well as the inexcusable poor customer service. I was ready to drive from Albany, NY to help look at the install and try to determine the problem (but at this point, it appears that it was found). However, as Now ya Know has posted, from what I can find, the only WHITE/ pink wires (although more than one exist) in the harneess have to do with the tach in some way (ie coil,pcm). I unfortunately cant imagine how this would then cause the PCM to completely fry (again, unless the wire was pinched, but your post did not mention anything about your installer finding a wire pinched). I am not saying that you are wrong in any way, but I would definately try to find the complete connection before continuing with the legal battle. Either way, good luck with everything, and again, I am sorry for the way that things have turned out... it really sucks to have a few lazy people put a bad name on people who do things correctly.
Kenny
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Albany, NY 12205
hawksbball25 
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Posted: September 05, 2007 at 5:02 PM / IP Logged  
so i guess nothing happend or if something did it musta just been the trannies time to go cuz im pretty sure litigation doesnt take this long to occur but u are a professer so that might have something to do with with cuz school is back in session
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