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enice

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Posted: August 10, 2007 at 6:33 PM / IP Logged

Thats where charging a reasonable price comes in. Im pretty sure that having a stealth type of install is what makes a professional. I totally understand where supply comes in but then again a customer that knows your installs are "stealth", wouldn't mind the extra charge for supplies. Then again a good sales rep would sell the cleanliness of an install and show that it just doesnt matter that it works but also the cleaness of it.

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Posted: August 11, 2007 at 12:59 AM / IP Logged

True "stealth" is hard to do.... I don't care how good you are, and everyone knows this. enice hit it, if your gonna make the alarm and remote start "disappear" under the dash, you DO need to get a few more dollars. It's the old saying......time is money!

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Posted: August 11, 2007 at 1:57 AM / IP Logged

Don't you guys charge customers shop fees. From what I've seen in 4 years of installing around my area every shop usually charges $4-$5 on every car for "shop fee". And this fee can mean a lot of things but I've always assumed it means materials. I know that on most cars you aren't installing $4 dollars worth of materials.

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Posted: August 11, 2007 at 8:13 AM / IP Logged

most shops charge for supplies i dont but i charge enough to cover them

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howie ll

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Posted: August 11, 2007 at 10:54 AM / IP Logged

Twisting is silly. Manufacturers only do it on speaker and can wire to cut interferance! Nuff said. What does PITA mean its a new one on me?

KPierson

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Posted: August 11, 2007 at 11:18 AM / IP Logged

I disagree Howie, if I was going to choose one or the other, I would definately go with twisting over taping, simply for the fact that taping takes a minute or two, and twisting takes 10 seconds (and requires no tape, so no added costs).

Having the wires twisted makes running them easier, and leaves a better looking install, as all the added wires will be grouped.

I've never owned my own shop nor had to worry about added costs, but I always did the best install I could for the customer. This is one advantage to working for a 'big box' store that pays by the hours, and has basically unlimited resources.

The bottom line, in my book, is that no matter how much the customer paid, they paid for a PROFESSIONAL installation. Professionals don't cut corners, especially just to save a few pennies per installation. If a shop's labor rate isn't enough to cover a professional installation then they need to adjust their rates/fees.

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Posted: August 11, 2007 at 11:22 AM / IP Logged

Uhm, please enlighten me...what's twisting?

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Posted: August 11, 2007 at 11:29 AM / IP Logged

Twisting the wires together with a drill, so they are pretty.

howie ll

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Posted: August 11, 2007 at 11:30 AM / IP Logged

KP is right but we have to "stealth" and conceal everything in UK, ONLY soldered joints except grounds when we often go back to bare metal and water resist sprays, mastic sealent over grommetts etc, convoluted tubing under hood more water resist on hood switches and rear of DEI Sirens, IP65 connectors when possible etc! Alarm CPU gets metal casing and MUST BE screwed or cable tied in place!

enice

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Posted: August 11, 2007 at 10:11 PM / IP Logged

The way I do it is twist and tape to make the stealth look. It does take time but at the end if done right you have a very very clean install.

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