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Posted: October 31, 2007 at 12:20 AM / IP Logged  
Or, just do it right the first time... A good 3-way system with fantastic amounts of time-delay!
*I* have no need for "supertweeters". ROFL
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haemphyst wrote:
Or, just do it right the first time... A good 3-way system with fantastic amounts of time-delay!
*I* have no need for "supertweeters". ROFL

Won't even a good 2way system suffice? I mean, as long as the tweeter can reproduce freq's above 10kH, right?

Time delay will probably eliminate the need for them also, correct?

It's just that i've never even heard of 'ambient tweeter' systems. I figure it would be in the comprehensive front stage sticky if it was necessary.

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Efforts would be better spent on aligning your comp set than adding spitters up high.
10K and up, those freqs become very directional and harsh off hard surfaces.
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Posted: October 31, 2007 at 8:52 AM / IP Logged  
The frequency response isn't as important as is the integration between drivers and low distortion. Careful alignment (TD notwithstanding) and proper placement to start with will do FAR more than adding a "supertweeter".
I have to agree with audiocableguy... Fix the issues that are present, rather than masking. Those are gonna sound pretty bad.
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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
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haemphyst wrote:
The frequency response isn't as important as is the integration between drivers and low distortion. Careful alignment (TD notwithstanding) and proper placement to start with will do FAR more than adding a "supertweeter".
I have to agree with audiocableguy... Fix the issues that are present, rather than masking. Those are gonna sound pretty bad.
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The reason why I'm putting in ambient tweeters is because my speakers are very low in my doors.  I don't have any space to put in kick panels in my car with the speakers I have to acheive better imaging.  I'm using the Polk Audio SR 6500 and need the ambient tweeters to lift my imaging.  Ambient tweeters have been used in many SQ cars and don't believe that they will sound bad.  As a matter of fact, you'll rarely hear them at all in my opinion.  The JL Audio, Boston Acoustic, and Polk Audio SQ cars all have them.  I'm not saying you guys are not right on having better speaker placement to fix my problem, but in my situation I don't have a choice but to put in the Ambient Tweeters.  I'll show you a picture of the interior of my car so that you can see why I need them.  Any other input by you guys would be great! 

Lastly, now this is all theory again:)  The engineer at Polk Audio told me to use a 6db crossover to get a smoother roll off curve.  Where as there's other companies that offer 24db ambient tweeter sets.  Wow!  What a difference.  Maybe it's because of the SR tweeters itself.  I know it can go down to 3k.  Maybe that's why they told me to run a 6db for the ambient set.  Who knows?  Anyhow, here's the picture. 

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Posted: October 31, 2007 at 3:44 PM / IP Logged  

He probably told you to build a 2nd order crossover because it's so far superior to using 1st order, and less expensive than building 4th order.  HERE is an assortment of calculators.

Your tweeters should likely perform to another octave below 3K.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
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Posted: October 31, 2007 at 4:20 PM / IP Logged  

Is that a center channel in the middle of the dash?  Get a grill on that thing!

I hate the sound of so-called "ambient" tweeters.  You will most certainly want to include a pad on those things unless you like harsh sibilance in your face.

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Posted: October 31, 2007 at 6:26 PM / IP Logged  

I've been thinking about them. I figure they would help in a low powered system or even to add them to factory systems where a single fullrange driver is used.

This, BTW, is what you call a theory.

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datspeed77, you never did say what amp you're using for your component set. Maybe you're just lacking power.?
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datspeed77 
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Yes that is a center channel.  It's 5.1 Dolby Digital using the alpine processors.  I didn't want to use the grill because I highly doubt anybody will damage them up high like that.  I guess and acquired look! 

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