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richsmif 
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Posted: February 11, 2008 at 5:11 PM / IP Logged  

Hi,

My 2005 volvo s40, gives a pulse width modulation signal to the headlight bulbs.  I'm trying to upgrade to a 35watt HID kit.

I understand i need a resistor to increase the load to 55watt to remove the bulb warning - which resistor i'm not sure - i've been told i need a 20 watt 17 ohm resistor????

I've also read in here i need to build a pulse/steady circuit to buffer the pulse to a steady 12v.  i've used a bypass cable so the headlight flicks a relay to switch on the balasts, but all this does it click the relay about 20 times a second - hence pulse.  also if i'm using a bypass cable, technically there's no load on the circuit as only the relay is been switched, so i'd need a resistor that has the same power as 55watt to confuse the computer into thinking the bulb is ok.

Can someone tell me which resistors and capacitors i need to build this circuit., i followed someone elses links to radio shack but they did'nt work.

help?

zerocover 
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Posted: February 29, 2008 at 11:41 AM / IP Logged  
There are a few problems with your approach. A 55 w resistor is not something you can find at radio shack or something you want just eating up power and turning to heat anywhere inside of a car.
Things you can do.
Basically you need to convert the PWM signal to a normal analog signal, this can be accomplished by using a low pass filter (a resistor and capacitor) These will average out the output of the headlights, so instead of getting a 13.8v signal 90% of the time you'll get a 12.4 volt signal all the time. This set up is needed before the relay to smooth out the signal.
Or directly hook the ballasts to the stock headlight outputs. However you need to use a capacitor (4700uF) in between, this works the same as above but the resistor is in the ballast. Its been shown to work on the S40s with no bulb out error.
(I have an 07 S40)
richsmif 
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Posted: February 29, 2008 at 12:19 PM / IP Logged  

Is'nt 4700uf abit too powerful?

I would prefer to wire directly into stock power connector and run the stable circuit off that.  So if i use 4700uf cap i don't need to use a resistor?  I was going to use a 10uf cap originally, is this not powerful enough?

so....

stocklight pwm > diode > 4700uf cap > output to ballast.

ground straight through to ballast.

Would this work?

thanks

zerocover 
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Posted: March 27, 2008 at 10:39 AM / IP Logged  
I really need to check this forum more often. Use the 4700 uf.
Its stock harness -> capacitor -> hid set up. The stock harness has grounds and everything so just connect through that to make the ecu happy.
Theres not much to it, it has worked with other s40's.
richsmif 
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Posted: March 27, 2008 at 12:06 PM / IP Logged  

I obtained some 4700uf caps, tried this and still did'nt work.  It stays on for 3 seconds, then just switches off.  I tested the voltage and ecu is actually cutting the voltage.  Least it did'nt flicker anymore.  lol

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Posted: March 27, 2008 at 2:16 PM / IP Logged  

It is possible that if the stock computer doesn't see the correct load it shuts off the output together.  If you say your stock lamp is 55 watt you will need a ~3 ohm 55 watt resistor to take the place of the head light.  Since you eliminated one 55 watt load and replaced it with another 55 watt load you arn't increasing the load on the electrical system.  You should install this resistor under the hood, away from wiring and what not as it will get hot.  You can find resistors this size at places like Digikey and Mouser.

Theoretically, a PWM signal is an analog signal (more correctly a pulsed digital signal) and you are trying to convert it to a pure digital signal.  You can try the large cap, or you can look in to a frequency switch.  For this application the large cap should be sufficient.

Kevin Pierson
richsmif 
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Posted: March 27, 2008 at 3:44 PM / IP Logged  

Yeah ok, i'll find a resistor and try again, when it stops raining here in the UK.

I'll let you know if it works.


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