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Bendog 
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i have one rockford fosgate 12" HE2 dvc sub 4ohm x 2, a rockford fosgate 401s amp, and a R&T Enterprises 12" Single Bandpass Subwoofer Box. i bought all this in best buy since i work there. my amp only allows a minum of 4ohm bridge load; but is it safe to go down to 2ohm. how should i wire my sub because i dont know if i wire it at 8ohm would it decraese my power or is possible to wire my sub to 4ohms. how can i figure out which frequency to use on my amp crossover and how to tune the box 2 ports to get good sound.

sorry for the long question but i might ask more if i get more question to my head.

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Your sub and amp are not a very good match for one another. For optimal performance I would suggest that you exchange one or the other for a better match. As far as bridging the amp to 2 ohms, I'm not suggesting that you do it, but I have bridged other 4 ohm stable Fosgate's to 2 ohm without problems ( DO AT YOUR OWN RISK) . I do not believe that your enclosure can be tuned, I It comes from the factory at a set frequency. If you don’t want to bridge it to 1X 2 ohms then your only other option would be to wire both coils (bridged) to one of the 2 channel on you amp for a 2 ohm load on that channel which will give you 200 watts. 

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it thought my amp and sub would be a perfect match. because my amp is 1200 watts peak 400watts rms and my speakers are 400rms and 800 watts peak.
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also can i wire the sub to 4ohms to match the amp or would wiring 8 ohms decrease my performance
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Your amp is ratted @ 1X 400 @ 4 ohms 100 X 2 @ 4 Ohms, and 200 X 2 @ 2 Ohms. So your 1st option would be to bridge the sub for 400 watts, but your amp is not stable at 2 ohms. 2nd If you wire each coil to its own channel that will give you 200 watts to your sub (I would not recommend since they will need identical signal). 3rd wire your sub in parallel to 1 channel on your amp for a 200 watt 2 ohm load. So if you bridge it which your amp will not support it will work. And if you wire it in a 2 channel configuration you will get 200 watts, another option would be to bridge the amp in series (8 ohm) which will give you 200 watts as well. Your amp is not an ideal match, you will want an amp that puts out 400 watts rms @ 2ohm
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Bberman is correct, the match of your sub / amp / box could have been much better. I have also run Rockford amplifiers (older real Rockford amps) at a 2 ohm mono load when the amp was designed only to run at 4 ohm mono, I like bberman would not do this with the amp that you have, do it at your own risk if you want to. The match of the wattage is correct for the amp and sub (without diving into the "specs") the impedance load is incorrect. I would look for a mono sub amp like the Power 351s, this amp was designed to run at a 2ohm mono load with a minimum output of 350 watts rms (they usually make more). As for the sub box it will be either hit or miss, I would get yourself a new box, not a bandpass, I would lean towards a sealed box or a properly built and ported box. You cannot wire your sub to 4 ohms as it is a dual 4ohm sub, this means either 2ohm in parallel or 8ohm in series. The latter will knock down your power by 50%, time for a different amp unless you are going to try what neither of us recommend.
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Posted: November 25, 2003 at 2:19 PM / IP Logged  

That amp is rated at 2X100 watts RMS @ 4 ohms.  The best you could do is wire the sub with one VC to each channel and make SURE your inputs to each channel are the same (not the safest way) or as bberman suggested, parallel the VCs at 2 ohms to ONE channel.  You cannot use that sub bridged at 2 ohms to that amp without risking overdriving the amp,.  To run it bridged you'd have to wire it at 8 ohms which still nets you about 200 watts from the 401s  Your best bet would be to upgrade to a 2-ohm stable mono amp (like the Power 501bd, if you want to stay with Rockford Fosgate equipment) or get a sub that is 2X2 ohms or 2X8 ohms... or 1X4 ohms SVC!

I don't know what the tuning frequency of that enclosure is, but I suspect it is around 50 to 55 Hz.  So your crossover should be set at, say, 80 to 100Hz to take advantage of the full bandpass curve.  After you setup your system, try it and see what sounds best.

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if i wire it at 2 ohms is the amp the only thing that can get damage. because i have warranty so ill just run it and blow it then switch for another amp and pay the difference. is it safe
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Still would not recommend it, if the amp is still new, the time to swap is now. If not well only time will tell, warranty expires at some point in time and usually the problem happens right after warranty expires. Can you damage the sub, yes definitely.

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