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ecobb993 
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Posted: February 28, 2008 at 11:50 AM / IP Logged  
Porsche (mine's a '96) uses a relay for the a/c condenser that looks like this part number 964-615-215-00: (sorry for borrowing and modifying the12volt.com's graphics)
substitute relay for a/c -- posted image.
It appears similar to the SPDT Relay discussed on the relay page except the center terminal is numbered 31 and is grounded. It is stamped with 12V 10A. This relay costs ~$50.
I'd like to substitute this relay part number 141-951-253-b:
substitute relay for a/c -- posted image.
This has no center terminal at all. It's marked 12V 40A. It only costs ~$5. So you can see why I'd like to use this as a substitute.
Any of you expert auto electricians have thoughts about making this swap?
Thanks, JC
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Posted: February 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM / IP Logged  
You can get five pin relays for $5-10.  I would use a relay that has the same amount of pins as the stock relay.
Kevin Pierson
ecobb993 
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Kevin,
Thanks for the reply. Any tips on how to back into a part number for a 5 pin relay? Or a website or other source that lists relays in such a way I can search one out?
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If the pin layout is like the one you posted above then that is a standard bosch style relay.  If the pin layout isn't like above you may need to go to a car parts store and see if they could cross reference it for you.
Kevin Pierson
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Posted: February 28, 2008 at 6:17 PM / IP Logged  
The pin layout is exactly like posted above. The challenge I've had is finding a relay that is designed with the center pin numbered 31. All the 5 pin relays I've seen number the center pin 87a.
ecobb993 
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Another thought. I wonder if this is actually a SPST Relay with the center pin (87a on a SPDT) numbered 30 and grounded.
ecobb993 
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I mis spoke on my last posting. The grounded pin is numbered 31. Here's a drawing of the schematic from the relay I'm trying to replace:
substitute relay for a/c -- posted image.
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It looks like a reverse voltage breakdown diode.  That is an odd relay you got there!
Kevin Pierson
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Posted: February 29, 2008 at 7:31 AM / IP Logged  
KPierson wrote:
It looks like a reverse voltage breakdown diode.  That is an odd relay you got there!
Guess that's why it costs 50 bucks! So how about my suggested substitution?
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You would be best off to find the schematic for where that pin connects.  If it connects to ground you may be able to wire the diode up externally.

If it were me, I would personally bite the bullet and buy the direct replacement.

Kevin Pierson
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