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aktundra 
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Posted: March 08, 2010 at 3:39 PM / IP Logged  

Let me applogize in advance for this ignorant question.  New to the forum, and just need some expert advice.

I would like to hook an aftermarket water temp gauge to the original factory sending unit.  (the factory water temp guage does not have actual numbers on the face of the gauge).  I would like to covert the signal the factory sending unit is sending, to the ohm range the aftermarket gauge is expecting and calibrated to receive.  the following is the respective temps & ohms

  Factory Aftermarket     rate of change
  OEM Sending Unit

Inuus 6262 Gauge

difference
Temperature______ ohms ohms      
60c(140f) =           90 459 369 410%  
80c(176f) = 50 226 176 352% -51%
100c(212f) =  27 119 92 341% -47%
105c(221f) =  23 103 80 348% -13%

Is there some electrical component I can insert between the sending unit and the reciving gauge, to increase the ohms to the range the gauge is expecting ?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions

oldspark 
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Posted: March 08, 2010 at 8:30 PM / IP Logged  
Unless you can find a linear relationship, you will have to map it - eg, via some PIC or programmable circuit.
aktundra 
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Posted: March 11, 2010 at 2:32 PM / IP Logged  

programable circuit ?

Nuts, don't know what that is but it does not sound like an "off the shelf" plug-and-play possiblity

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Posted: March 11, 2010 at 4:46 PM / IP Logged  

Replacing the OEM or adding an aftermarket unit in additon to the OEM would be your best bet.

If the sensor uses the change in impedence to modify voltage to the ECU/PCM it is possible to use a programmable uC to emulate the sending unit, but that is an awful lot of work - especially for someone that doesn't know programming or the basics of the electronics required.

Kevin Pierson
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Posted: March 11, 2010 at 5:18 PM / IP Logged  
No - and there won't be unless someone has built that specific converter/application.
That's why people usually buy the correct sensor.
But if you have no choice, then try Jaycar's Voltage Modifier Kit
"... intercepts and alters the signal from engine sensors that supply a voltage signal to the engine control unit (ECU)..."
NOTE - Requires hand controller for programming & RS-232 cable.
Or build your own (PC; Fusion Brain etc).
aktundra 
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Posted: March 11, 2010 at 6:01 PM / IP Logged  

I guess I need to decide how committed I am to this project.

I am fiddling with a 1980 FJ40 Toyota Land Cruiser. There is nothing wrong with the OEM gauges. I would just characterize them as bare minimum functionality. No numbers on the face, not very sensitive, and very dimly light @ night. But they work as they were designed to work, a radical change and they register the warning.

I hate dead gauges, so I wanted to keep the OEM dash working, and add some bigger aftermarket gauges with big 270 degree sweeps, actual temps & oil pressure numbers, and well lit.

Oil pressure was no problem, I was able to put a “T” in front the OEM sending unit. Attach the aftermarket to one leg of the T, bingo, both after market and OEM oil pressure gauges.

Water is the hang up. Toyota has an unused access point to the water jacket. When they manufactured the engine, they just put a pipe plug in to block it off. Now after 30 years of heat and water contact, that sucker has pretty much welded itself into the head. The square pipe plug does not fit neatly into hex sockets.

I really hate to temp Karma, and take out something working perfectly fine just to make it “better”. I could risk, smearing threads, breaking the plug off, etc etc. just for something as silly as a second water temp gauge.

I guess it’s not worth it to me @ this point. Besides, there is always plan “B”. (take a pair of needle nose pliers and bend the needle back to where it should be when the thermostat opens @ 180 degrees !!!)

Thanks for the input, excellent forum.  Wish it was so easy a caveman could do it !!!

oldspark 
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Posted: March 11, 2010 at 7:01 PM / IP Logged  
I know what you mean.... even welded heads (ever had to remove a 4WD head with a hacksaw! (Aussie) Bore-water isn't good...)
I have a 1965 Isuzu ute (pickup) but have retrofitted ~1985-1990 Isuzu (Jackaroo/Trooper) gauges....
I got sick of imperial speedos (we went metric in 1072), and old-style bouncy electro-mag gauges - newer thermal are much better.   
But with that came the sensors to match the dials, though I did like my inverse fuel gauge - perfect except empty was full & vice-versa.
But I finally changed the sender with a little effort (elongation of 5 screw holes and a lot of wiper-arm bending) with the bonus of a low-fuel warning lamp that comes on when I have 10% further remaining. I no longer carry a jerry can and know to within a few km when I'll run dry.
But with all gauges, I feel there is a need for the idiot light or annunciator....
You shouldn't have to monitor things - they should draw your attention to abnormalities.
Hence lamps etc - whether flashing dial lamps or separate - as common for oil pressure gauges where the oil-pressure dash lamp still exists.
The other aspect is my old favourite - redundancy.   
F.ex - if my fuel gauges circuit fails, I have an electrically independent low fuel lamp.
Ditto for standard oil-pressure switches/lamps and oil-pressure sender/gauges.
Hence rather than replace old standard gauges, why not augment them?
EG - voltage sense circuits across its sensors for over-temp lights, or (better still) separate thermo switches etc.
(F.ex I have an electric fan. I intend to place $5 klixons (temp switch) here and there to ground switch the fan relay should their threshhold be exceeded - whether head, block, or radiator. This may be in addition to any adjustable switch from the temp gauge etc. Kilxons can also be mounted on differentials, gearboxes, transfer cases, axles, brakes etc for simple alarms.)
The problem is when wanting to add intelligence - ie, values to unmarked gauges.
That's where I think new & old.
Keep the old's cool charm... (the old standard gauges).
Add whatever new display - a 3" or 7" LCD, or small LCD that can flash up the alarmed parameter, or cycle through values upon interrogation....
Hence you still have the original "reliable" stuff. But with a modern backup.
That newskool display can have the automated alerts etc.
EG - I mounted an LCD voltmeter in my 1980s dash in my 1965 ute.
From this (a great voltmenter from ABR-Sidewinder)...
how to increase ohms by 400%? -- posted image.
To this....
how to increase ohms by 400%? -- posted image.
The only problem being that it isn't backlit. (I have since blanked off the last digit so only 11.9 shows.)
How do you get a suitable cheap backlit LCD display>
EASY - you buy a cute blue-lit meat cooking sensor for $15, or a backlit DMM for $11, or a $1 mobile phone; discard everything bar the display, and interface it to your own program... (probably in a PIC - like the Fusion Brain etc)
It's much easier with electronic dashes. EG - one day I may finally re-engineer the guts of the 1980s Isuzu Piazza (Impulse) so its display reports a plethora of enhancements... At least the display is already there...
PS - KP - my last replay missed yours.... My "No" was directed at the "off the shelf" comment...
KPierson 
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Posted: March 11, 2010 at 7:02 PM / IP Logged  
Try soaking the plug with PB blaster (or other penetrating liquid) and use a 12 pt socket on it.  12 pt sockets fit square heads very snugly.  Give the blaster some time to work and don't be afraid to use lots of it! 
Kevin Pierson
oldspark 
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Posted: March 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM / IP Logged  
That's rubbish KP!
The blaster only lights with a match.
And the display doesn't use a 12mm anyhow - it's more like a 4lb-er (or heating spanner - it's a very sensitive fit these LCDs!).
Ok - OOC (Out Of Context).
But yeah - those penetrene type things can work very well. Alas I now use INOX for everything though I'm not sure how good it is for that type pf application... though it has been ok so far....
Otherwise heating and/or cooling can work - especially after few cycles. But that may wreck the sensor too.
It least it's an iron head (I presume?) so you shouldn't strip the thread...

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