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StreetRcr03 
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HELP Today I was putting in my new windshield washers that light up.  I grounded out the black wire and connected the white wire to all the wires on the corner light to see if i could get the windscreen washer to flash witht he turn signal, there were three wires in my corner light, a green, red and black one, i put the white one from the washer to the black one and it started to smoke.  So now I have turn signals, however when i turn my headlights on, i dont ge tthe corner lights but i still get turn signals.  Also my dash doesnt light up, no speedometer or nothing.. HELP ME, can someone tell me what i have done and how to fix it?  I'm praying it just a fuse, thanks, reply or e-mail me

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I would start by checking the fuses both under the hood and in the car. Let us know what happens.

StreetRcr03 
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I'll make sure to do that, do u think that might be what it is, if not, what else COULD it be?
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Damaged BCM is my guess. You can find them at auto wreckers for cheap. To verify this you will have to go down to your local Honda dealership and get the tech's to look at the BCM with their diagnostics computer.

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StreetRcr03 
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So basically it's either the BCM (whatever that stands for), or fuses, anything else it could be, and is there anything I can do to fix it at home?
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Posted: September 14, 2002 at 9:44 PM / IP Logged  

The BCM is the Body Control Module and it controls functions such as interior lights, dome lights, door chime, defrost, parking lights, etc.....

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What May Have Gone Wrong

  Some corner and side marker lamps which flash with the turn signal are not wired parallel to the main turn signal bulb. A single filament bulb is wired with one terminal to the main parking lamp hot terminal and the other terminal to main turn signal lamp hot terminal. This wiring scheme permits a single filament bulb to light steadily for a marker light, but to also flash with the turn signal. In effect, the marker lamp does not have a direct ground but instead grounds through either of two filaments of the main dual-filament parking lamp/turnsignal bulb. The marker bulb is powered by the turn signal hot wire and grounds through the  main parking lamp filament when the parking lights are off and turn signal is on, thus lighting the marker bulb in unison with the main turnsignal. When the parking lights are on,  the marker bulb is powered throgh the main parking lamp hot wire and grounds through the main turn signal filament when the turn signal is off. When the parking lamps are on and the turn signal lights, the marker bulb loses its ground and goes out,  thus alternately lighting the marker bulb and the main turn signal bulb. If this scheme (or something similar) is the way your car is wired, the marker lamp or corner lamp is not a good circuit to use. Even if you decided not to use a direct ground but instead paralled the washer lights with the corner lights I still don't think they will work the way you intend them to work if your washer lights are LED's. That is because with the circuit described above the marker lamp's polarity is REVERSED when the parking lamps are on. LED's will not work with reversed polarity unless specifically engineered to do so (and few are). This may explain the "smoke". Also, you may have inadvertently shorted the turn signal and parking light circuits together while hooking up the washer lights. If you want your washer lights to function the same as your corner lights (both as parking light and turn signal) then it may require additional components such as diodes to do so. It would be simpler to settle for either the parking light or the turn signal and wire the washer ligthts to the MAIN turnsginal or parking light bulb lead, not the marker or corner light. Hopefully, your car wiring only suffered a blown fuse but here's a tip for futrure reference. These little washer and auxilary lights draw far less than one amp. Always use a fuseholder and a 1/4 amp or smaller fuse in series with whatever wire you are tapping on the car harness. That will protect both the car wiring and your lights against shorts and reverse polarity. Another point: some people tap in to the main harness, run a wire,  and then put a fuse just before the auxilary lights. I like to use a  weather-resistant fuse holder as near to the tap point on the main harness as possible. That provides good insurance regardless of what might go wrong with my "added" wiring along the way. Good luck and let us know how you mak out on getting your lights working!

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I got it working, finally, i had to bring it in to a tire store though, it was a fuse, i checked them but i must have missed it.  Okay now that that is done.. how can i hook these windshield washers in my car.  keep in mind I have a 95 honda civic, the windshield washers have a black wire and a white wire, the black is grounded, I need the white wire to run to my corner lights, there is three wires on my corner lights - black, red, and green, I want it so that my windshield washers are on all the time but flash when i have turn signals on also.  How can i manage to hook that up??
StreetRcr03 
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Also, thank you for all your help, it's about time I find a forum that replys back 1. so quick, and 2 with so many answers, thanks guys
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Not to spoil your design , but all that extra lighting and accessories , two more than stock , may be to much for your stock electrical , and I am unsure if you will be able to install a multiple relay setup that will supply a constant to power the wiper lights when the car is on , but switch power then to a pulsed when turn signals are on , then back to constant when turn signals are off again . I think with all the lights on your car you are visable , and you should just have the wiper  lights go on and off with the car . You will only have to tap one wire and it will save you time and  hassle . 
Sir
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