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dkel4020 
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Posted: January 14, 2014 at 1:14 AM / IP Logged  
If the RIPS technology causes the 600/1 to output 600 RMS under a range of voltages and ohm loads then does that mean I'm sharing power if I connect more than one subwoofer. For example. If I run a single voice coil 4 ohm speaker then that speaker should receive 600 watts RMS. But if I run 2 single voice coil woofers, still wired at 4 ohms, does that mean I'm sending 300 watts to each speaker since the amp only produces 600 regardless of ohm load??? I guess my ultimate question is; would I be better off running one speaker at 600 watts RMS by itself or would I get more sound by running 2 speakers and having them share the power from this amplifier???? If I did run 2 woofers, would they still need to be rated for 600 watts or would I get 300 watt speakers??? Thank you for anybody help with understanding this technology.
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Interesting...
IMO the RIPS (Regulated Intelligent Power Supply) is merely an SMPS and its constant output at any voltage (11V-14.4V) simply describes how an SMPS should behave. [I realise that despite BIG amps having SMPS, according to many specs they behave as if they are resistive loads instead of constant power loads - ie, power output is proportional to supply voltage (squared).]
But since most amp max output powers are inversely proportional to load impedance whereas this JL 600/1 has constant max power despite load impedance (ie, 600W @ 1.5 - 4 ohms) it must be changing the output voltage to suit the impedance, hence interaction with the SMPS, ergo "RIPS". (I assume it is an analog and not PWM output.)
As to your paralleling idea, IMO that should work as long as all speakers have the same impedance.
And yes, each speaker need only handle its power (2 x 300W or 3 x 200W etc), however if one speaker or connection goes open circuit you will blow the other(s) if at high enough power assuming they aren't each rated at 600W and 4 Ohms or less. (I wonder if they warn against that?)
However, I am no amp or audio expert. Others may have better info, or you may have to confirm with JL.
dkel4020 
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Thanks for the breakdown oldspark. The most formal education I have on any electronics has been from this website so I'm completely new to trying to understand how everything works.
So, if I understand correctly. each time I add a voice coil I would cut my power to that coil based on the number of coils added. So if I were to run 2 12 inch dvc's such as the Fi audio SSD12 then I would only be sending 150 watts RMS to each coil. 300 watts per speaker. It's probably safe to assume under these circumstances I wouldn't need a speaker this beefy since they are rated at 1,000 watts.
I blew my last speaker because I pushed it too hard in the wrong enclosure. It was a single voice coil 2 ohm JL 12 w3. I'm trying to get more spl out of the same amp. I already know I need a properly built ported box but I'm trying to decide on getting 2 lower rated speakers or one high powered speaker. The car is a 2011 ford Taurus so there should be plenty of room in the trunk.
Should I expect a single speaker, receiving 600 watts, to be louder than 2 speakers receiving 300 watts each??? Or would their output be relative to the power??
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Normally adding another VC in series halves the TOTAL power (twice the resistance/impedance) hence the original VC gets 1/4 the power it did have.
But since this RIPS beast does not drop output power wrt speaker impedance, it will deliver the same total power, hence the original VC gets 1/2 the power it did have.
Similarly paralleling 2 VCs normally doubles output power (half the total impedance) but the original VC gets still has the same power.
But with RIPS halving the impedance has no effect to it's the same output power and the original VC gets 1/2 the power it did have.
Simple? Hmmm...
It certainly makes what people used to say about adding series or parallel VCs totally irrelevant (and wrong).
Hence my first reply's opening Hmmmm.... Interesting...
In fact I wonder how caraudio forums will respond - some of the ridiculous things I read from them...! (Batteries, alternators, caps, circuit theory...)
And as an aside... Usually you want as high an Ohmage as you can get (ie, 8 Ohms rather than 4 rather than 2 etc) noting that that is from a quality POV. But for high powers, the voltages involved become lethal. (Hence typical amp DC rails of +35V & -35V hence 70VDC which is around the safety limit for DC. Whereas a 1 Ohm speaker can take around 4-5kW at +/-35V, an 8 Ohm would need +/-280V for the same power.)   {Or is it 1.2kW @ +/-35V? Ah - who cares?)   
It'd be the same for the JL 600/1 - ideally you'd run it at 4 Ohms. But that refers to single coil impedance, not your case. 2 Ohm coils have heavier gauge wire for twice the current handling of its 4 Ohm equivalent.   
BTW - I know many caraudio forums say the lower Ohmage the better, but they are merely considering the possible power output - not quality, efficiency, heat, etc.
Back to you...
A single speaker versus 2 at half power - that's one for the experienced.
A single should be cleaner & better (for 'mono' subs) and I think higher SPL (twice the travel), but other factors like total cone area etc can have an effect, as well as box design & separation; speaker output versus power; etc.
dkel4020 
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Posted: January 14, 2014 at 5:57 PM / IP Logged  
Thanks again oldspark. Anyone have any experience with single versus multiple sub output? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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