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teachmeaudio 
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Posted: March 31, 2006 at 7:58 PM / IP Logged  

Hello everyone, im the new guy!

  I have seen on some other posts about people having there alternators whine. THey all seemed to be bad grounds. I have looked over the sticky on grounds and also the Big 3. I bought a 160 amp alternator and after I installed it, it produced a whining noise.

  Now in the sticky on grounds it talks about checking the resistance from the negative ground of the battery to the alternator. I checked that and its 0 ohms. Then again i may have not performend that correctly (sticky was not all that descriptive imo in what exactly to do). What i did was using my voltometer on 200 ohm mode, connect one end where the battery gets ground on the chassis to the alternator. Basically touching the alternator worked as well as where it mounted. There is no grounding wire for my alternator (not sure if other alts. have one.) Oh, my car is a 96 civic hatch. This produced 0 ohms so i dont think its a bad ground circuit. Any other ideas of what can be wrong?

Also, (to make this a two part question), should i be fine running all 4 gauge wire for the big 3 and my amps and also without running a cap? The amps are a Hifonics Brutus BX1000D and an Alpine MRV-F345. Each amp will run 4 gauge to the battery. The amps will be under my driver and passenger seats as i want to keep the trunk as empty as possible. I figure i should be ok since on your guys' chart, a 4gauge wire can handle 1000watts for up to 8feet.

All help is greatly appreciated as i want to do things right the first time. And since i want to be able to be done fairly shortly as my battery should arrive in a few days.  Thanks!

geepherder 
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Posted: March 31, 2006 at 9:39 PM / IP Logged  

So you're getting noise in your audio system since you've done the alt upgrade?  While the engine is running, read the ac (not dc) voltage at the battery terminals- this is the amount of ripple on the alternator output.  It should be no more than 250 mV.  4 gauge is fine.

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teachmeaudio 
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Posted: March 31, 2006 at 9:48 PM / IP Logged  
Not in the audio system, actually from the alternator. I thought that is what everyone meant. My alternator does its job though, im able to keep the engine running with the battery disconnected. And I already checked the belt, that is not loose. What does it mean if the alt. is putting less or more than 250mV. As my name implies, please teach me.
electrostatic 
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Posted: March 31, 2006 at 10:45 PM / IP Logged  
first off with today's computer controlled vehicle's it is inadvisable to disconnect the battery from a running engine. a battery does more than start a car, it filters the ripple voltage coming from the alternator. ripple voltage is noise that is produced when alternating current is converted to direct current. an alternator produces 3 phase alternating current which is then rectified (converted) by groups of rectifier diodes and voltage regulated to produce direct current. the battery then (filters) smooth's out this ripple voltage. with an oscilloscope you can observe this ripple voltage, it appears as a ripply waveform that rides the top of the rectified waves.
teachmeaudio 
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Posted: March 31, 2006 at 11:10 PM / IP Logged  

Hmm, ok. So if my alternator is producing too much ripple, it is not a very good alternator, right? The only reason why i disconnected the battery from the running engine was to see if the engine would die or not in order to see if the alternator would produce power to run the engine. It did so i figure the alternator works, but it seems that if it is making this noise then it is producing too much of a ripple, then i should replace it?

I havent tested it yet though, since it is too late for me to organize my cars for a jump start. My battery is dead. I am waiting right now for my SVR battery. The one that is dead was the original battery and i had it sitting for about 2 weeks while i dynamated my entire car. It now doesnt hold a charge. I will do a test tomorrow for the ripple voltage.  If it is producing too much of a ripple, than i assume the Big 3 wont help, right?

btw, thanks for the info guys!

electrostatic 
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okay, first lets start off by defining alternator whine. it is an audible noise heard thru your cars audio system speakers that increases/decreases with engine rpm's and is caused by poor audio system grounding, to put it simply.
what you are describing is a mechanical noise produced by the alternator, not "alternator whine".
a simple method of testing your alternator is to take voltage readings off the battery with your engine running. set your dmm for volts dc and with the engine idling you should read 12.6 volts. load the charging system by turning on your headlights, radio, wipers, airconditioning, etc. the voltage should hold at around 12.6 volts at idle if your alternator is working. now increase your engine rpm's to around 2000 rpm's, the batteries voltage should increase to around 13.8 volts or higher and hold at this voltage with an increase in engine rpm if your alternator is working correctly.
as far as the mechanical noise goes, perhaps someone else can offer more advice.
teachmeaudio 
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Posted: April 01, 2006 at 12:57 AM / IP Logged  

Well, it is not a noise from the audio system since all i have as an audio system now is just a couple 6 1/2's running off a head unit. The amps i mentioned are not yet installed. The noise is somewhat of a whistle that you can hear in or out of the vehicle with all electricals off. When I first had this problem, I monitered my battery when it was running and saw that the voltage slowly grew as it was just idling, so i am assuming the alternator is working. Thats why im stumped as to what it can be. The alternator is working, just doing so annoyingly.

Oh, dont know if this will help or not, (since the alternator does work imo), i bought it off of ebay. Alt. Whining -- posted image.. 160amp alt. It was around 175 shipped. Cant remember the brand or company right now but they did have a very high rating and sold a lot of electrical equipment (such as starters and stuff).

If anyone has any ideas, it would be greatly appreciated.


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