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unclebuck131313

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Posted: November 10, 2002 at 7:03 PM / IP Logged

I just installed a crimestopper cs 2006 fm into a 2001 Pontiac Aztek and have a slight problem. This was my first alarm install and everything went good until i got to the transponder. I cant get the top of the stering column off to expose the key cylinder so I cant get the transponder ring around the cylinder. I am not sure what brand the transponder is but its got the little black box and 2 wires leading to the ring that is wrapped with a small split loom. I got the remote start to work by zip tying a key to the cylinder but by doing this I have to remote start the vehicle every time I want to use it. Putting the other key in the ignition does nothing. Here are the questions. Can I cut the ring from the transponder and wrap it around the cylinder and solder it back together? Can I affix the ring to the oem pass3 box thingy majig that is attached to the key cylinder? What can I do to make it work right I guess is the biggest question. This is already and is going to continue to be a pain in the butt until I get this figured out. I did find a sweet spot on the cylinder where I can put the key and it will work with remote and my regular key will work in the ignition but when I go to afiix the spare to the cylinder it moves from the sweet spot so that wasnt the answer. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time.

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Posted: November 10, 2002 at 8:50 PM / IP Logged

if there is just two wire going to the ring which is the antenna ring then get a dei 555u it has a diagram to cut and splice in a aftermarket ring without having to disasemble the dash.

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Posted: November 10, 2002 at 9:50 PM / IP Logged

Make sure that you are using a GROUND OUT WHEN RUNNING wire for the ground wire. If the system requires a constant 12 volts and the other wire is GROUNDED all the time, the two keys will cancel each other out causing the car not to start. Where did you hook up the two wires to ??

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unclebuck131313

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Posted: November 11, 2002 at 5:56 PM / IP Logged

goes like this Two wires on the transponder box.One wire goes to the - ingnition output of the alarm The second wire goes to ground then the 2 wires that go to the antenna ring go to the transponder. I guess the big question is how do I get the transponder antenna ring around the key cylinder? Pull the cylinder? Bring it to someone and have them do it? I would hate to do that because so far I have done it myself. Thanks again guys

unclebuck131313

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Posted: November 12, 2002 at 5:31 PM / IP Logged

What if I just wrap the antenna around the cylinder. I can Wrap the cylinder but I cannot slid the antenna over the key cylinder.

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Posted: November 12, 2002 at 6:29 PM / IP Logged

that what you need to do and as for as the way you have it wired if i am getting it correct its wrong there needs to be a status output on the alarm to tell the module to work plus the unit needs a constant 12 volts and maybe a ground but i cant recal . but that status output is the key its a two way alarm so that means its new so it should have it make sure and you need to slip the entire ring over the key cylinder have you removed all screws under the bottom of sterring colum and have you given it a little force cause clips usually also hold them in . . .........

this needs to be done or your going to mess up the computer and basically car starting will be something you wish would happen. even with the key

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unclebuck131313

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Posted: November 12, 2002 at 8:51 PM / IP Logged

I have removed all the screws and tried everything to get this cover off to expose the cylinder. It appears that the top panel has a molded ring that goes behind the part of the cylinder that you turn. It appears that without A. removing the cylinder or B. cuting the plastic that this cover is not going to come off. I might very well be wrong but that is what it appear to be. Like I said before this is my first install and this is the only thing that is keeping me from completing the job correctly. As far as the wire that I hooked the transponder box into it is

ORANGE WIRE: NEGATIVE STARTER KILL / ANTI_GRIND OUTPUT

Ground output when system is armed / remote started. This output is used for adding a starter disable relay or to

activate Anti-Theft Bypass Modules for remote starting purposes.

unclebuck131313

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Posted: November 12, 2002 at 8:53 PM / IP Logged

The only other wires that I dont have connected are

GREEN/ BLACK:(-) AUX. REMOTE OUTPUT (Optional, Requires Relay)

Connect to terminal 85 of relay. Connect terminal 86 to constant. Connect terminal 87 to +12V or Ground depending

on the type of circuit that needs to activated. Connect terminal 30 to the device/circuit to be activated.

RED: (-) OEM FACTORY DISARM OUTPUT

Provides a ground pulse to disarm the vehicles' FACTORY anti-theft system prior to Remote Start. Connect this wire

to the vehicles' anti-theft disarm wire.

However I need to access the key cylinder before I can worry about what wire I need to connect to the transponder because that is usless if I cannot get the antenna around the cylinder. Thanks again and again. I figure the more you guys throw at me sooner or later I will get down to figuring this out. Hopefully I wont need to get out the saws all :)

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Posted: November 12, 2002 at 10:03 PM / IP Logged

You want to use the orange wire to activate the relay.

I might be wrong here but I am pretty sure this is how your remove that cover.

First you need to remove the bottom half. This should be easy. Then you need to remove any screws that might be holding the top cover to the metal. They might be inverted torx I can't remember. The screws that hold the bottom cover on might screw into the top and therefor there will be no extra screws to remove. The objective here is to be able to get to the top of the ignition cylinder tumbler.

Your going to have to disconnect the battery as well. Now after the battery is disconnected your going to turn the ignition switch to start. At the top of the tumbler (lifting up the plastic cover) you will see a tiny hole. In this tiny hole there is a spring loaded latch. You need a pick tool with a right angle on it to push that latch in. Then you should be able to pull the ignition cyliner out while pushing the latch in.

Sounds confusing I know, but once you get to it, it should make sense.

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Posted: November 12, 2002 at 10:05 PM / IP Logged

THis reminds me why I use a hard wired bypass that does not require wrapping the cylinder Passlock 3, 2001 Pontiac Aztek -- posted image.

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