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What is a ’Pull Up Resistor’?


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ejenner 
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Posted: November 18, 2009 at 9:02 AM / IP Logged  

I've been talking to my ECU suppliers who provide me with a custom ECU to run my engine.  I am having trouble getting the car's original rev counter to show any reading. 

If I put the voltmeter onto the pin comming out of the ECU which should go to the rev-counter then I can measure a pulse. 

I've tried connecting a spare rev counter to the ECU to eliminate the rev counter.  So it's not the rev counter causing the problem.  The rev counter was also working in the past with the previous ECU.  I seem to get a little blip when the engine first starts.

While on the phone to the guys from the ECU company we decided the voltage comming from the ECU might not be high enough to run the rev counter.  The guy from the ECU company said put in a 'pull-up' resistor into the lead between the ECU and the rev counter.

I was wondering what a 'pull-up' resistor is and where I might be able to buy one.  Are they usually called pull-up resistors and can they be bought from normal electronics shops?

ejenner 
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Ok - am I right in thinking there is no such thing as a pull-up resistor.  But actually it is just a normal resistor linked to power on one side and a switch on the ground side.  When the circuit is grounded the power supply is allowed to flow through the resistor to ground and the result is that anything else connected to the ground side will recieve power to the value allowed through by the resistor?

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Posted: November 18, 2009 at 10:58 AM / IP Logged  
Did he reccomend a value for the resistor?  He is wanting you to apply power to one side of a resistor, and connect the other end of the resistor to the wire he specified. 
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A pull up resistor is merely a resistor - I'd suggest a 10kOhm 1/2W carbon film or similar (not wirewound - if they still exist!).
It should be connected between the tacho's signal wire and its +12V supply.
It sounds like your ECU has an open collector output for the tacho, and your tacho does not have an internal pull up resistor (why should they - they attach to ignition coils!).
The pull-up resistor pulls the open (collector) output up to +12V.
When the output transistor turns on, its collector terminal is connected to ground (close to 0V - maybe 0.2-1V?).
Hence the output is a square wave from near-ground to near +12V.
They should have provided a suggested value, but 10k should be safe.
I'd ask the before trying 1k.
Either value is low power but 1/2Watt is a common size that is reasonably robust. But 1/4W is still ample.   
The FYI ramble follows:
"Open Collector" outputs are typically used in logic circuits - eg, CPUs, electronic controls/switches etc.
It simply means that the output is either earthed/grounded else is floating.
IE - a transistor is turned on to connect the output to 0V (zero volts) or it is turned off (high impedance) so the output "floats".
Why do this? Because you can then interconnect systems of different voltages - ie, 12V, 24V, 5V, 3.3V etc. (Not their power supplies - just their inputs & outputs.
Ignition points are an equivalent example - the points are either closed and shorted to chassis/ground, else open and floating. (It's the same as most ignitors, HEIs etc; though not CDI.)
The points are pulled up by the ignition coil.
For open collector outputs, there is nothing to pull the output up from ground.
Hence the pull-up resistor.
Most logic pull-up resistors are 10k Ohm (10,000 Ohms), but they can be much higher to reduce power consumption.
They can be as low as 1k Ohm, but that can be too low for many circuits, and 100 Ohm is very likely to burn out logic & CPU open collector outputs.
(Ignition coil ignitor open collector outputs are a special case that can handle say 12A switching - that's 1 Ohm at 12 Volts.)
ejenner 
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Posted: November 18, 2009 at 2:08 PM / IP Logged  
I'm pretty sure they recommended a 1k resistor.  I've got it written down somewhere.

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