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orangesuburban 
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hey guys, i am having my taillights painted and i was wanting to rewire them as a result. due to my tint and then the tail lights being painted the reverse lights will be all but pointless so, i was wanting to make them more functional.
this is on a 2008 Scion xD
there are 3 bulbs in the tail lights
top bulb is a 7443 bulb is used for the night running lights and also the brake lights
middle bulb is a 992 (7440A) for the turn signal
and lowest bulb is a 921 for the reverse light
i want to replace the white bulb with a red bulb and rewire the lowest location to function in the same manner as the top location. (running and brake)
i know to get one function i could just cut the wire and tap power at the top bulb, but i dont know what to do to get both functions.
i plan to swap out the white 921 for a red 194 LED (if LED vs bulb has an barring on things)
what are my options!?
thanks guys!
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Is the 7442 a dual element bulb?
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7442?
if you mean the 7443, yes that one is a dual element. none of the others are however.
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Yes that was the one I was asking about.  It would be very simple if you could change the sockets to accept a dual element lamp.  If that is not an option, we can still make it work with the sockets you have.  On the socket for the reverse lamp, are both the ground and hot wires accesible?  You will have to cut both and using 2 relays, will have to switch between series and parallel wiring.  When park lamps are on, the lamps are going to be wired in series.  Thus making the bulbs burn at half brightness.  When the brakes are depressed, they will be wired in parallel.  Full brightness.  There is a diagram on this site for switching speakers from series to parallel.  I will look at it and see if it needs any modifications to do this.

This is the diagram for the speakers.  It will take some modifications to make it do what you are looking for.  I have no problem modifying it if you tnink you are going to do it.  Let me know if I need to modify it.

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We may need a third relay if you want this to work during the day.  When I drew the diagram, I was thinking you had daytime parking lamps.  A different post here. The diagram below will work at night.  I will need to modify it for brake lights in the daytime. 

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all wires are accessible, please do modify it for my application this is something i will 100% be doing.
thank you!
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thank you... the only change would be the lower pos connection needs to go to an ACC power wire rather then the park light connection, no?
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An accessory wire will be fine, the only problem with that would be the running lights would be on anytime the key is on.  I was thinking more in the lines of a relay that would supply voltage from either the park lights or when the brake is depressed,    Nevermind I will draw a picture.
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When parking lights are on, the lamps will get voltage from that wire.  When the brake is depressed, power will come from that source.  In the daytime, only the brake lights will illuminate. 
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