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3000dclass 
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Ok, so I think I might have the wrong subs for what I want to do.
I got two 15" JBL Grand Touring Series GTO1504D. The two amps I will be using are a Rockford Fosgate 1501bd, and a RF bd1500.1
I wanted to hook up one amp per sub, and run the amp at 4 ohms, getting an output of about 750rms watts from each amp. But, the paper work that came with the subs, say something about they can be run in 2, or 8 ohm!
Does this mean I can't run my amps in 4ohm, and have to run my amps in 2 ohm? I know running them in 2 ohm will give me more power, but I want to go with the cleanest sound I can setup here since I made my custom box for the subs. Thanks
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2 different amps....? 1 for each sub, wich are the same. Is this a good idea?
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I'd use the 1500.1 and have the subs @ 1ohm, I don't kno the amp so idk if it will be stable @ 1ohm, but that's just me
well?
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yes, both amps are stable at 1 ohm, but I do not want to run them at 1 ohm because I want to have better SQ, and more importantly to me, I want to keep my amps from running cooler and have them working less hard. I know then my alternator will be working harder if I run the amps with a higher resistance, but I plan on compensating by having a place rewind it, or try to put a second alternator on my truck, which would be dedicated to my sound system.
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Posted: January 07, 2008 at 6:41 AM / IP Logged  

You'll get best sound and not only simplest, but best setup by using one of the amps for the two subs.  Subs are wired series / parallel to make a total 4 ohm impedance.  Either amp is rated to make 750 watts into a 4 ohm load at 14.4 volts, and each sub is rated at 300 watts continuous.  Looks like a pretty good setup to me.

Check the woofer wiring application on this site to verify sub wiring.

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I know then my alternator will be working harder if I run the amps with a higher resistance

It's the total power demand, not the impedance (or resistance) of the amplifier's load, that would make the alternator work harder.  It doesn't matter whether its 1 ohm or 8 ohms.  Your car's system will have to supply up to 900 watts of power for these subs if connected as I described above.  (...let's say a peak at 750 watt rating plus 20% inefficiency factor...) 

But of course the alt doesn't supply watts, it supplies current.  900 watts at a voltage of 14.4 is 62 amps.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
3000dclass 
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thanks stevdart, but why do you say the best setup would be using only one amp for both the subs? Wouldn't that mean running an amp @ 4ohms, I would be splitting 750watts for two subs, so each sub would only get 375 watts rms? The reason I wanted one amp per sub is so that I can run 750 watts to each sub, making it louder.
and I guess your right about the alternator stuff, but I was thinking with a higher resistance, the alternator would have to work a little bit harder to have the current overcome a higher resistance?
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Posted: January 07, 2008 at 9:19 PM / IP Logged  

You're right about the amp being a bit less efficient at a lower resistance.  I didn't consider that, but at the same time I don't consider that an important enough issue to make note of.  The quality of sound and life of the amp are a more important concern for me.  Anyway, it's really no less accurate just to consider power alone because amp efficiency is just surmised to begin with.

While replying, I did do a google search yesterday for that sub model because I didn't know for sure what power it could handle, and I found a review at cnet and a listing at Crutchfield that said it was a 300 watt sub.  You can get a lot of sound out of an efficient 15" 300 watt sub with 1 watt, and I noticed the price topping out at $140, so I thought that what I saw might be correct.  But I guess you are saying this sub handles high power?  What is its continuous power rating?  You're not applying a "peak" sub rating to an amplifier's RMS power rating, are you?

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
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Yes I agree with you stevdart, about the life of the amp, that is the most important thing for me in this setup. I thought someone somewhere back told me that running the amp at a higher impedance (ex. 4ohm) would extend the amp life, so thats why I got some 4 ohm subs. I'm not an expert so please correct me if I'm wrong with that train of thought.
And you are also correct about the specs you found on the subs. They are 300 watt, and 1200 peak watt 4 ohm subs. I know I'm not applying peak sub rating to my amps rms rating, but in a way I guess you could say that I am. You see, I used to have these same subs a few years back, until they were stolen, but the fools didn't take my amp, which was my Rockford Fosgate 1501bd. My neighbor hooked up my system, and I don't remember how to amp was running (1ohm, 2ohm, 4ohm, etc) also, they were the 2ohm subwoofers I had back then I believe. So, I just remember having my amp which is capable of 1500 watts max, hooked up to 2 subs that are 300 watts rms, so anyway you cut it I probably had more power to the subs than they were rated for, but I loved how they sounded! Got a ticket for how loud they were too, haha! So let me know if anything I've said is wrong, thanks!
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Posted: January 07, 2008 at 10:34 PM / IP Logged  

I agree that both subs and one amp would be the way to go.

375 rms will be more than enough to get the most from those JBL's.  Add to that the fact that those big RF amps are under-rated, you're almost guaranteed 400w+ per sub.

There's really no 2 ways about it that I can see.

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Posted: January 07, 2008 at 11:06 PM / IP Logged  

All I can say is, you have two amps that a lot of people would like to have one of.  Those thieves were fools, for sure.

When you compare sub with amp, just go with the numbers.  RMS rating at best vehicle voltage (usu. 14.4) for the amp into impedance load...to...continuous power handling rating for the sub(s).  You first combine the subs, in your case there are two, and find your impedance.  Compare the combined subs' total continuous power capacity to the amp's RMS power rating into that final impedance.  That's all there is.  "Peak" numbers are not used and should be ignored.

A well executed setup with strict attention to setting gain will allow you to use an amp whose power is greater than the subs' thermal handling capacity.  Using test tones and a multimeter to find amplifier voltage output, along with the use of Ohm's Law equations, will lead you to the gain level where you can supply 300 watts to each sub and still have headroom left in the amplifier.  But I think the equipment power ratings are close enough that you could just use the listening test to set gains and keep the subs safe from overpowering.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.

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