the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
icon

cant choose enclosure type


Post ReplyPost New Topic
< Prev Topic Next Topic >
armymp90099 
Copper - Posts: 76
Copper spacespace
Joined: July 05, 2009
Location: Illinois, United States
Posted: August 19, 2009 at 2:45 PM / IP Logged  
ok first of all WOOHOO first post! lol i love this site and how informative the people are on here! ok here is my dilema. i have 2 alpine type r 15s and i am making 2 fiberglass enclosures for them going in the corners of my trunk. i cant decide weather to make a sealed or ported box because i want spl and ive read that the best freq for spl is 40 hz or more. the optimal tuning freq for my subs is 30 hz in a 2.9 ft^3 but thats a big box and a low freq. but the freq of the optimal sealed box is 43hz which is closer to what i want...thats contradictory because ported is supposed to give more spl. anyone have any input? other useful info- EBP is 51 F3 is 43hz and qtc is .64. thank ahead of time for your help guys!
paidnfull 
Copper - Posts: 125
Copper spacespace
Joined: October 24, 2007
Location: Texas, United States
Posted: August 19, 2009 at 3:20 PM / IP Logged  

Are you going for spl or loud and good sounding? 

The subs in a ported box tuned in the low 30's should yield a good overall sound that is loud.    You can tune the ported box in the 40's or even 50's to create a higher spl, but it will sound like garbage.

The ported box tuned in the low 30's will probably still be louder than the sealed box at 43.  The way I understand it the sealed box is not really tuned to 43hz, thats just the resonant frequency of the enclosure.  This will be where the enclosure peaks, but should not be significantly louder than any other frequencies.  On the ported box you will theoretically pick up 3dbs at the tuned frequency.   If the ported box is designed properly, you should be able to get something that sounds just as good as a sealed box but a little louder. 

if you are competing or going strictly for spl do a big ported box with a high tuning.  Model it up on some box building programs and see which tuning frequency gives you the best peaks.  Keep in mind the enclosure will not sound that great when listening to music, and the box has almost no control over the sub below the tuning frequency.  This means if you are playing music with bass below the tuning freq, you run the risk of destroying the suspension in your sub.

armymp90099 
Copper - Posts: 76
Copper spacespace
Joined: July 05, 2009
Location: Illinois, United States
Posted: August 19, 2009 at 3:34 PM / IP Logged  
ok maybe i asked the wrong question. lol i want an even balance between spl and sq however my trunk space is limited hence why im going with the fiberglass idea. i have them in 3.1 ft^3 boxes tuned to 35hz and i only hit 135.6db on a termlab meter. needless to say with 2 15s i was dissapointed. im pushing them with an alpine mrp 1000 by the way. i know i need to upgrade my batt and alt to get more efficiency out of my amp. i was told my problem is that the boxes block the opening of my trunk going into my cab and the sound pressure isnt reaching my cab. im basically asking off of those sub specs would the sub be more efficient in a sealed box?
paidnfull 
Copper - Posts: 125
Copper spacespace
Joined: October 24, 2007
Location: Texas, United States
Posted: August 19, 2009 at 4:15 PM / IP Logged  

If you want a good balance of sq and spl, a large ported box in the 35hz range should be the way to go.  Too much lower your gonna sacrifice output.  Too much higher, your gonna have horrible response. 

135dbs on a term lab is pretty good for 2 type r's in a daily driver.  Those subs were hardly designed to break any world records for spl. 

You may gain a couple of db's by repositioning the subs but probably not worth the effort.  Most likely be inaudible anyway. 

If you want to get up in the 140's and still have some type of sq, I'd probably reccomend different subs.

armymp90099 
Copper - Posts: 76
Copper spacespace
Joined: July 05, 2009
Location: Illinois, United States
Posted: August 19, 2009 at 5:20 PM / IP Logged  
lol yeah i wasnt planning on breaking any records with them just was hoping to get to 140 at least they are what i have and im gonna work with them. how about getting another mrp-1000 amp and have one amp running each sub? how much could i expect in gain from that in the right enclosure? oh and thanks a lot for your help.
paidnfull 
Copper - Posts: 125
Copper spacespace
Joined: October 24, 2007
Location: Texas, United States
Posted: August 19, 2009 at 5:57 PM / IP Logged  

double the power, you should see a 3db gain.  Maybe a lil more with cabin gain.   You will have a severely underpowered electrical system though.  You'll def need a high output alt and a very good batt, two batts wouldn't hurt.

If you play with it enough you will get into the 140's.  Don't know how much your gettin those amps for, but new subs on the amp you already have might get you where you wanna be a lot faster. 

I have not had a whole lot of exp working with the type r's but I think they were geared a little more on the sq side rather than spl.  A sub designed for spl in an enclosure designed for daily use might get you where you want.  Possibly one good sub would be enough.  I know Jeff is gettin in the 140's and even 150's with relatively musical set ups on single subs, under 1000w.

armymp90099 
Copper - Posts: 76
Copper spacespace
Joined: July 05, 2009
Location: Illinois, United States
Posted: August 19, 2009 at 6:15 PM / IP Logged  
ok maybe new subs might need to be looked at...im getting the amps for 280 each which is good compared to what ive seen. lol im getting a 200 amp alt and a kinetic hc 1200 in the next few weeks.
jimi77 
Member - Posts: 27
Member spacespace
Joined: August 10, 2009
Location: Colorado, United States
Posted: August 19, 2009 at 6:38 PM / IP Logged  

armymp90099 wrote:
ok maybe i asked the wrong question. lol i want an even balance between spl and sq however my trunk space is limited hence why im going with the fiberglass idea. i have them in 3.1 ft^3 boxes tuned to 35hz and i only hit 135.6db on a termlab meter. needless to say with 2 15s i was dissapointed. im pushing them with an alpine mrp 1000 by the way. i know i need to upgrade my batt and alt to get more efficiency out of my amp. i was told my problem is that the boxes block the opening of my trunk going into my cab and the sound pressure isnt reaching my cab. im basically asking off of those sub specs would the sub be more efficient in a sealed box?

What car?  Some cars are bass traps and a little more challegning than others.  If the box is blocking the bass, then try facing the subs forward or up.  You might consider a bandpass box that vents directly into the cabin. 

You talking to me???
P9 Combo
ID CD1-Pros
Focal Utopia Midbass
10" Brahma
Clarion APX amps
armymp90099 
Copper - Posts: 76
Copper spacespace
Joined: July 05, 2009
Location: Illinois, United States
Posted: August 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM / IP Logged  
dont laugh but its in a 2004 ford taurus. lol there does seem to be a blocker behind the seats that could create a barrier and i do have the seats folded down.
aznboi3644 
Gold - Posts: 2,600
Gold spaceThis member consistently provides reliable informationspace
Joined: May 01, 2006
Location: United States
Posted: August 20, 2009 at 1:26 PM / IP Logged  
3 cu ft is way small on the ported side for the 15 TYpe R...I used to have ONE 15 TYpe R in 4.3 cubes hitting 145's.
Custom Enclosure Design
Page of 2

  Printable version Printable version Post ReplyPost New Topic
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

  •  
Search the12volt.com
Follow the12volt.com Follow the12volt.com on Facebook
Thursday, May 2, 2024 • Copyright © 1999-2024 the12volt.com, All Rights Reserved Privacy Policy & Use of Cookies
Disclaimer: *All information on this site ( the12volt.com ) is provided "as is" without any warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, including but not limited to fitness for a particular use. Any user assumes the entire risk as to the accuracy and use of this information. Please verify all wire colors and diagrams before applying any information.

Secured by Sectigo
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
Support the12volt.com
Top
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer