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theonlybigdaddy 
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Posted: March 15, 2010 at 7:45 PM / IP Logged  

I am new here and would like to gain some knowledge from some experts like yourselves.

I just bought a pair of 07C108 10 inch/ 8 ohm kicker comp sub-woofers and these speakers require a mounting depth of 4 13/16 and the box I bought is sealed and has a mounting depth of 4.5 so barely not enough.  I fugured that I can get a pair of 10 inch spacers to make up the difference?  Would this actually work?  If my calculations are correct I would have a new mounting depth of 4.5 (4.5 is what the box has of mounting depth) plus 0.75 so would be 5.25. (the spacers are MDF and are 3/4 in size so converted 0.75 more of added depth mounting space).

Also the sealed box has 0.61 cu of space on each side so would be per sub-woofer and I know that these particular woofers require a minimum of 1.0 cu of airspace to perform correctly so if again there is 0.61 within each side and with spacers I would add (if I have a total of 5.25 minus the mounting space of each woofer which is 4 13/16 which would be 4.8125 converted) which equals 0.4375 extra and then add the 0.61 which equals 1.0475 cu of air space on each side then I should meet the required minimum air space needed for each sub-woofer correct.  Just making sure my system and calculations would work.

I am also pushing them with a ZX350.2 amplifier and since these sub-woofers are 8 ohm wiring them in parallel should bring them to a 4 ohm impedance and should push the subs at their prime at 350 watts @ 4 ohms easily correct.

Enclosure Specs:

  • Down Firing Systems
  • Material 5/8'' M.D.F
  • Air Volume .61 Cubic Feet Per Sides
  • Mounting Depth 4.5"
  • Mag. Diameter not more than 7"
  • Again just want to make sure this would work because I already have the amp and head unit installed.  I also already have the speakers and box just waiting for the spacers to come in and should be here by Wednesday.  Thank you so much!

    nodiggie 
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    Copper spacespace
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    Posted: March 15, 2010 at 8:52 PM / IP Logged  

    I'm no geometry expert but I would say, no. I can only remember what my math teacher would tell me. "if it don't look right, check it again. IT don't look right.

    It just don't look right to me. There is NO WAY you are going to get .39+ cuft more space using a spacer.

    Looking at the calc. Assuming you use .5 mdf. 16x21x4.5 = 0.60764

    You would have to raise the ENTIRE depth of that enclosure just to get to: 1.04167

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    Kraco
    nodiggie 
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    Copper spacespace
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    Posted: March 15, 2010 at 8:55 PM / IP Logged  

    sorry for type...(can't edit)

    You would have to raise the entire mounting depth to 7" to get to 1.04167cuft.

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    Kraco
    theonlybigdaddy 
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    Posted: March 15, 2010 at 9:12 PM / IP Logged  
    Nodiggie, so if my depth mount is 4.5 cu for the box and the 10 inch kicker competition that I am planning on mounting as a mount depth of 4 13/16 then with a spacer of 3/4 mdf will not be sufficient in making up the difference in mount space?  I have tried to mount the woofer or rather just place it into the slot on the enclosure and it barely needs a little space to mount flush.  So your saying it will not work?
    theonlybigdaddy 
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    Posted: March 15, 2010 at 9:22 PM / IP Logged  

    I calculated the total for ech side.  For instance, if their is 4.5 cu on each side for mount space and then I add the 3/4 spacer or simply 0.75 converted so technically I would have 5.25 cu of mounting space for each side, right?   So if each 10 inch woofer (Kicker compteition 07 model) has a depth mount of 4 13/16 which would be 4.8125 cu (converted) right?  So if I have 5.25 cu of mount depth with spacers then minus the actual speaker mount depth then that would equal 0.4375 cu.  

    If there is already going to be 0.61 cu of air space on each side I just added the extra 0.4375 cu to the 0.61 which gave me 1.0475 cu of air space.  I am not a math wizard just makes sense to me but no expert by all means.  Just want to know if the speakers that I have will mount and work correctly with what I got.  If not I have to purchase other subs, probably shallow mount for mount space.  Thank you for your time though.

    nodiggie 
    Copper - Posts: 69
    Copper spacespace
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    Posted: March 15, 2010 at 9:41 PM / IP Logged  
    Yes, a spacer will work. But I am still not clear how you are gaining cuft. Your original post only adding 10" mdf spacers to raise the mounting depth alone NOT the entire volume of the enclosure. I am certain you are increasing volume by some miniscule amount. How about measuring the dimensions of that enclosure and well take a look. I'm sure others would help as well. 
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    Kraco
    nodiggie 
    Copper - Posts: 69
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    Posted: March 15, 2010 at 9:54 PM / IP Logged  
    theonlybigdaddy wrote:

    I am new here and would like to gain some knowledge from some experts like yourselves.

     (if I have a total of 5.25 minus the mounting space of each woofer which is 4 13/16 which would be 4.8125 converted) which equals 0.4375 extra and then add the 0.61 which equals 1.0475 cu of air space on each side then I should meet the required minimum air space needed for each sub-woofer correct.  Just making sure my system and calculations would work.

    You added the .4375 extra mounting depth to the box VOLUME. That's not correct.

    I agree the spacer will work as far as mounting the subs, but there is no way you are at or above 1.0cuft. Not counting displacement of the driver even. 

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    Kraco
    j.reed 
    Copper - Posts: 716
    Copper spacespace
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    Posted: March 15, 2010 at 10:12 PM / IP Logged  
    the spacers will help you on the mounting depth. You would be able to fit the woofer in the enclosure then, but you are not going to see the gain in volume your thinking. The only added cu.ft you are going to see is from the little less driver displacement not occupying the space. So the gain will be VERY minimal.
    You have .61cu.ft NET before driver displacement. Those subs have a displacement of .03. so with out rings your enclosure would actually be .58cu.ft. with a mounting ring your looking at maybe .59-.59.5cu.ft. NET. You need a larger enclosure. Or go to one sub if you don't have the space to go larger for both the subs.
    If you don't have space and want to do 2 10" kicker subs. You need to get the Solo classics dual 4ohms for your amp. They will fit those enclosures well with a mounting ring and have a min requirement of .66cu.ft
    woofer mounting depth -- posted image.
    nodiggie 
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    Copper spacespace
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    Posted: March 15, 2010 at 11:55 PM / IP Logged  

    and thus, an expert finally chimes in...thx j.reed. Like I've always said "there's no substitute for experience"

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    Kraco
    theonlybigdaddy 
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    Posted: March 16, 2010 at 12:12 AM / IP Logged  
    Okay that is what I needed to know.  Thanks Nodiggie and J Reed.  I appreciate your help.  I am mounting in a 2005 GMC Sierra Crew Cab under the rear seat and do not have really alot of space.  So I think I am going to go ahead and return the Kicker 10 inch competition subs and get the Rockford Fosgate P3 10 inch  Dual 2ohm shallow mounts instead since they only require a 3.5 inch depth mount and also minimum airspace of 0.4 cu feet in a sealed enclosure and can handle more RMS to boot.  Thank you so much for your advice, time, and experience.  Cheers!

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