tweeter issues, poor audio

I run an eclipse amp to 10" mids and alpine silk tweets. my tweets max out and distort long before the mids get to full power. i intend to install a bi amp setup but i think i need better tweets anyway. i can fit a max of 2.5" diamiter if i use a gauge pod instead of my tweeter mount point. it was suggested i might want to use some 6.5" tweets in my doors and remove the alpine but im not sure of that. tweets work best if they are placed at ear level do they not? what are some better tweets to replace my alpines with? what about these: http://www.mtx.com/_mtx+mobile+2+8+937+100w+rms+bullet+tweeter_no-rtx2bt_205/b

What kind of crossover are you using on the tweeters you have?Support the12volt.com

factory alpine crossover, it came in the there kit. passive in line

So it's something like the SPS-110? That's a good tweeter but it's not really designed for high output. If you are looking for ear-blistering output levels, try a horn tweeter like a Cerwin-Vega CVMP1.0.Support the12volt.com

its the R type coax kit 6.5" tweet. the 6.5" speakers were not even close to loud enough to work properly in my system. they may as well have not even been there. in the end they melted and died in a puff of smoke and i replaced them with a set of 10" mids. so now comes the question of where to mount them. should these be mounted in the door and angled at the passengers or should they be mounted at ear level?

6.5" Alpine R coax? Those are not tweeters, although they do include tweeters. Why don't you list all the components of your system and then maybe we can help?Support the12volt.com

The term Coax Kit leads me to believe he has Separates.

i am an idiot wrote: The term Coax Kit leads me to believe he has Separates.

I'm tired of assuming. The OP has multiple threads and is trying, but he really needs to list 100% of what he is doing if he wants help.Support the12volt.com

as i stated i had the alpine component kit that included the 6.5" woffers and tweets. i set fire to the woofers by putting 500W into them and now i run 10" mids in there place. the tweets are currently the same as what came in there kits. the passive crossovers are at most a 6db octive slope and i guess thats just not enough. i get popping from time to time in heavy vocal songs and one of the tweets at low volume sounds distorted. the tweets and mids currently run off an eclipse 34320 amp but i intend to hook up a MTX 4202 to the tweets alone and run its HPF filter in a bi-amp setup. its also been recommended that i should buy the DEH 80 from pioneer and use its built in xovers and EQ to further balance the system. my fear is that the deck only has a 12db slope, is that deck the right choice or should i stick to my 5 band EQ deck and buy an external processor for the xover?    at the end of the day the old alpine 6.5's were to quiet and were compleatly inaudable over the tweets and my subs. now that i have 10's the mid range is there but the tweets seem to distort when playing at the proper audio level to match the sub. either its a xover issue or i need better tweets. current system is: sub - Fi SP4 18 mids - crachendo 10" PWX highs - alpine SPR 60c tweets high amp - MTX 4202 mid amp - eclipse 34320 sub amp - Kicker ZX2500.1 (possibly upgrading to a Q3500.1D) deck - Deh-7400HD pioneer 2/0, 0, 4 ga wire respectivly on the amps.

i think what needs to happen is a serious look at the individual components in your system to find out if they are a good match for each other, and im not just talking power handling. good systems are good not only because of each individual speaker but also because those speakers are made to work together and complement and blend with each other. many times it backfires on people who jut think they can take a bunch of random speakers and expect them to sound good together. its going to take a lot of tweaking and adjustment to blend a 10" mid with any normal tweeter. there's just too big of a difference. its like trying to blend an 18" sub with a 4x6 mid. ofcourse the 10" mid is going to out-play a 1" tweeter. another problem you could be running up against and not realizing it is that normally large speakers dont do well with upper frequencies. what you might be taking as a lack of tweeter might just be a lack of upper frequency response from the mid that you would normally get with smaller mid. its hard to say without actually listening to your system. now i dont know what kind of car you have or what is possible to fit into your doors but maybe you should find out the upper frequency response of those 10" mids, then take away a few thousand Hz and fins a smaller dedicated mid whose lower frequency range is lower than the 10" mids upper range that way they have room to blend and dont have to strain to cover the whole frequency spectrum. this will also free up the lower range of your tweeters so that they dont have to strain into their lower limits causing distortion. to do this you will need another 2 way amp or a single 4 channel amp to run the new mids and tweeters. you might have to buy an electronic 3 way crossover to properly filter above and below the range of the new mid. to pull this off, careful selection and a good crossover network is key. 3 way systems are hard to tune so make sure you are up to the challenge.