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i have an older lanzar 100-s amp that doesnt have a high low filter, so i have an external crossover. and a 10" sub.  the problem is, is i get humming coming from the sub and a some high frequencies, not real high, but words that shouldnt be there. i have the rca's from the head unit connected to the crossover's high input because the low input has speaker terminals for left and right pos and neg, then low pass selected and bass boost off, then rca outs to the amp. and then connected to the sub. what could be causing these sounds out of the sub? is it because the rca's are connected to the high input of the crossover? this is the only thing i can think of right now. if that is what it is, how do i hook up to the low input with the speaker terminals with the sub out rca's from my head unit. thanks
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Posted: May 27, 2004 at 9:53 PM / IP Logged  
Are you hearing high frequency noises or actual high frequency program material (music) through the sub?  What is the make/model of the crossover?  Usually "high" inputs are for speaker level signals, but it could also just be the way it is labeled.
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its a pyramid gold series cr-66 subwoofer electronic crossover. there are actual words from the music coming through. "high level" could just be better signal u think? since they are rca's, not just speaker terminals. thanks
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Sounds like you have ground loop problem.  The "expensive" lanzar amp has floating ground (I believe)  where the pyramid is common ground.  Good co have built in switches to change grounds.  Try grounding shield of rca.
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Posted: May 27, 2004 at 10:18 PM / IP Logged  

On that crossover the RCA inputs are the ones to use.  Make sure the bass boost is off and the crossover selector set to the middle (80 Hz.)  And yes, I agree with the poster above it sounds like a bad ground loop.

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ok, i have read about grounding shield of rca before, but dont remember where, would one of you clear that up for me please? or know of a place to find it. i dont know of a switch that can change grounds either. there is a ground wire that comes out of the amp (thats how old it is, has an actual wire coming out of amp, not just a connector).  could the ground be bad all the way up at the deck?  thanks guys
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or, and this is the MOST likely answer, the pyramid XO is a POS, and has a VERY shallow 6dB XO slope... this will allow MUCH of the higher frequency stuff through. dump that thing, and get a good piece of gear. the ground issue is a possibility, but that would not cause voices to be heard in the sub, even if it COULD cause noise. what he is describing is a shallow XO slope.
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
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ok, do you recomend any crossovers that wont cost a lot? amp is old, and if xo is too expensive might as well look into another. thanks

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your definition of " lot" and mine are different, i guarantee it. how much is "a lot"?
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
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Posted: May 28, 2004 at 8:53 AM / IP Logged  

One other thing to consider is older amplifiers (and crossovers, EQ, etc) were not built to handle the high output voltages of today's head units.  That Lanzar is most likely designed for no more than a 2-volt input.  If your head (or that crossover) is sending a higher voltage it will cause high-frequency noise among other things.  What's your head unit?  Try turning the input gain on the amplifier all the way down and see if the noise stops.

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