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I've read how SQ will suffer if you run components at 2ohms instead of 4.  My question is how much and why?
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Posted: July 18, 2004 at 7:04 PM / IP Logged  

In laymen's terms, all amplifiers will run hotter at a 2-ohm load than they will at a 4-ohm load, since the lower the load on the output the higher the current draw through the amp.  This shortens the the amplifier's life expectency and makes them more prone to failure from over-heating.  It forces the output transisters to run closer to their thermal maximums.  Almost all amps will be noisier and distort more when running hotter and closer to their maximum amperage ratings, resulting in a perceived loss of SQ.  Some high-quality amps can handle a low ohm load in the mid to high frequency bands without noticable changes in SQ, but not many.  For subs, the loss of SQ in the signal is not nearly so noticable as it is in the higher frequencies.  You can generally achieve acceptable SQ at 2-ohms with sub amps running below 100 Hz.  But in higher frequencies the distortion and loss of S/N ratio is more noticable and can make a system sound very bad very quickly. 

That being said, there are also some mid-to-low end amps designed for a 2-ohm load now appearing, especially in OEM car audio systems.  Since a 2-ohm speaker will play louder (all other things being equal) than a 4-ohm speaker, it allows car manufacturers to make their stock systems seem "better" since they will get louder.  But they also tend to distory much sooner and the factory amps will not last as long as the same gear would running at 4-ohms.

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Posted: July 18, 2004 at 10:30 PM / IP Logged  

My curiosity is directed toward an Arc Audio 2100 cxl.  I was considering running my 2 sets of components off it. (6.5" alpine type-r)  What do you think?

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Fugit, do you ever push your system into clipping (i.e. turn it up so loud that it start to sound noisy and crappy?) If yes, please disregard the rest of my post, and follow specs :). Otherwise, read on.
The fact that Arc Audio publishes specs at 2 ohms is at least an indication that the amp will handle it just fine. Many people believe that 2 ohm loads (or bridging an amp onto a 4 ohm load) reduces sound quality - I agree that there may be a fine measurable difference, but absolutely not something you could notice by listening to speakers.
DYohn has a valid points in that an amp at 2 ohms will not live as long as on 4 ohms, all other things being equal, but unless you're abusing the amp, you likely won't have any problems.
Fugit, I would be more worried about the locations of the speakers. Are your two sets of components both in the front of the car? Or is one set in the back, and one in the front?
If only one set is in the front, you won't want to play the other pair nearly as loud, as it will pull the hole image backwards and ruin any chance of a good sound stage. If you parallel the front and rear speakers onto one amp, you have no way of adjusting the balance between them. Also, you would have wasted your money, as coaxials in the back would have done an equally fine job at the attenuated level you'd play them at :).
Personally I've had excellent results with feeding 2x150w into my front components, and running the rear speakers directly off the deck (with faders/gains set so that the rear speakers do not distort before the front speakers).
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Posted: July 19, 2004 at 1:00 AM / IP Logged  
Set your system up with the components in parallel.  Tweak the system and listen to it for several days.  Switch the wiring to the 4 ohm load that the speaker manufacturer recommends.  Tweak the system again and listen.  Sometime you just have to make your own comparison.  If you were to do this with oh, maybe a few hundred systems over a period of,say, 20 or 30 years, I would lay odds that you would just start wiring it at the 4 ohm load right from the start and cut all the BS.  You would then have the burden of experience that DYohn has.  I'll bet he would like to have a nickel for every $100 he has saved those he has given his good advice to.  And another nickel for every hour of frustration saved.
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Stevdart, in my particular case, I had 6.5" 2-way components up front (in kickpods), and 6x9's (yes, i know) in the rear deck.
I used to power each of these separately on a 4-channel amp.
Bridging the two front speakers onto the four channels of that amp, and wiring the 6x9's (rear fill) directly into the head unit, was one of the biggest improvements I ever did to the system - second only to having the kickpods built (thus getting the speakers out of the front doors).
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I do have one set in the rear doors, and I was wondering about that too because I have them set lower than the ones up front.  My dillema is I have a 4dr yukon so the "rear" speakers aren't exactly in the rear.  I also have a set of stock speakers way in the back that are the true rear speakers.  The speakers in the back doors aren't in back, but they are behind me.  Even with the rear set turned down a bit, the best place to sit in the truck is in the middle of the rear seat.  It's awesome there.  It's good up front but not like that.  Unfortunately, the amps I have to work with are all two channel.  My 4 channel is going in my wifes car.  Any of you have experience with something like this?
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Posted: July 19, 2004 at 9:55 AM / IP Logged  
Yes.  I'd set up your best speakers running of your best 2-channel amp in the front doors.  The rear doors are the main speakers for passengers in the rear seat, and these should run off their own 2-channel amp.  This will give you front-rear fade capability and you can pull the soundstage forward easily.  Set up the rear-rear fill speakers to run off your head unit amplifier.
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Posted: July 19, 2004 at 3:21 PM / IP Logged  

Which is exactly what I would recommend as well.

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Posted: July 19, 2004 at 6:50 PM / IP Logged  
How would some kickpods sound along with the other speakers in the doors, or even instead of the speakers and tweets in the doors?  Do they sound that much better than door mounted, or would the four tweeters running the same channels cause problems?  Just curious because I already have 2 sets of components and I could just add some cheaper coax to the rear doors.  Kind of a waste and guess I should've thought more about it before I bought them.  I haven't even put in the second set of 6.5's yet.  Stll in their plastic.
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