the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
icon

Carbon Capacitors?


Post ReplyPost New Topic
< Prev Topic Next Topic >
vbrookslv 
Member - Posts: 8
Member spacespace
Joined: November 29, 2004
Location: United States
Posted: November 29, 2004 at 6:40 PM / IP Logged  

Greetings all,

I've been out of the Car Stereo game for awhile, but am starting to put things together for my )5 F350 when it arrives. 

Back in my day, you were tuff stuff if you had 1 or 2 1-farad caps.  Now, I am seeing a 40-farad cap (lightning audio, among others), that seems incredibly low priced for what it is.  Am I missing something here?  Are these things not all they are cracked up to be?  I note that the normal 'can-shaped' caps haven't really changed in price much, so what gives on these larger ones?

vbrookslv 
Member - Posts: 8
Member spacespace
Joined: November 29, 2004
Location: United States
Posted: December 02, 2004 at 10:50 AM / IP Logged  
WIth all the pro's here, does no one have any insight into this product?  Carbon Capacitors? -- posted image.
DYohn 
Moderator - Posts: 10,741
Moderator spaceThis member has made a donation to the12volt.com. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Electrical Theory. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Mobile Audio and Video. Click here for more info.spacespace
Joined: April 22, 2003
Location: Arizona, United States
Posted: December 02, 2004 at 10:56 AM / IP Logged  
In my humble opinion (and I'm sure there are those here who will disagreee) these products (and except in very special cases, caps in general) are a gimick and not worth the money. Invest in an alternator large enough to handle the load.  Caps, no matter how large they are, do mor to make you feel good than they actually help with power system performance.  And very large ones like you're describing can actually do far more harm than good if your electrical system is already near max loading.
Support the12volt.com
vbrookslv 
Member - Posts: 8
Member spacespace
Joined: November 29, 2004
Location: United States
Posted: December 02, 2004 at 2:25 PM / IP Logged  

I am aware that Alternator comes first.  I am beginning to order parts for my recently order 2005 F350 Lariat 6.0 PSD.  It will have Dual, 130-amp alternators.  Since the truck can run comfortably on just one of those 130's, I figure that leaves me 130-amps or so to work with.  I don't figure I need any extra batteries, as I am not looking for run time in the parking lot.  I'm not showing off to my baggy pants friends 'Cause, well, I don't have any.  Picture Hank Hill.  Yeah, that's me.  I am married with children, but still like some Offspring or AFI now and then.

Anyway, I previously have had 2 1-farad caps that have traveled with me in all of my cars over the years (had them since I graduated high school in '93).  At the time, I had a little four-banger, and definately noticed the difference.  When my Phoenix Gold MPS2500 hits, it draws quite a bit of current.  I know my new truck will have enough amperage to power my system, but I figured more can't hurt.  I will eventually have some hillbilly offroad lights, an air compressor (for air horns, air tools, etc), and all of that stuff needs electrons too. I want to be able to winch my buddies Dakota out of a ditch, air up my tires with the compressor, give somebody a tan with my spotlamps, and jam some Pennywise all at the same time.  Is that too much to ask? Carbon Capacitors? -- posted image.

Lastly, getting back to my original question, it struck me as odd that 1-farad caps are still $60-120, but a 40-farad is $200.  I know the old adage of 'you get what you pay for' and 'if it seems to good to be true...', but I was hoping for some insight into the actual nuts and bolts of these things.  I am sure I am not the first one to remark at how the pricing is odd, if it truly is apples to apples.

stevdart 
Platinum - Posts: 5,816
Platinum spaceThis member has made a donation to the12volt.com. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Mobile Audio and Video. Click here for more info.spaceThis member consistently provides reliable informationspace
Joined: January 24, 2004
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
Posted: December 02, 2004 at 4:01 PM / IP Logged  
http://www.bcae1.com/capacitr.htm for some basic info.  The difference in capacity is the size of the plates that hold the charge, so you can see (from a manufacturing perspective) the very little difference in cost associated with making a cap hold more charge.  But keep ESR in mind when choosing, the lower number the better.
jeffchilcott 
Platinum - Posts: 2,483
Platinum spacespace
Joined: April 11, 2002
Location: United States
Posted: December 02, 2004 at 5:43 PM / IP Logged  
I have tried a few 40 farad blitz caps....lets not go there..its kinda like buying an 2000watt amp that costs $150     I think you know what im leading to,    name brand stuff sticks to it..Rockford, eclipse, mtx ect..off brands arnt as honest
2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
auex 
Platinum - Posts: 5,041
Platinum spaceThis member has made a donation to the12volt.com. Click here for more info.spacespace
Joined: December 23, 2002
Location: Arizona, United States
Posted: December 02, 2004 at 5:59 PM / IP Logged  
You are better off upgrading your charging system or getting a second battery and an isolator.
Certified Security Specialist
Always check info with a digital multimeter.
I promise to be good.
Tell Darwin I sent you.
I've been sick lately, sorry I won't be on much.
vbrookslv 
Member - Posts: 8
Member spacespace
Joined: November 29, 2004
Location: United States
Posted: December 02, 2004 at 11:45 PM / IP Logged  

jeffchilcott wrote:
I have tried a few 40 farad blitz caps....lets not go there..its kinda like buying an 2000watt amp that costs $150     I think you know what im leading to,    name brand stuff sticks to it..Rockford, eclipse, mtx ect..off brands arnt as honest

But that's just it, they are made by LIghtning Audio / Rockford Fosgate.  If they had been Rockwood or Pyramid I would agree. (are they still around, or am I dating myself?)

My thinking was like this:

I was going to purchase two 1-farad caps.  It's what I had before, I figured I would have it again.  (sold them with the old truck, it was part of the deal).  But when I figured it would cost me about $200 to replace them, I started looking at these 40-farad deals.  It seemed too good to be true, but with the Fosgate name on them, I figured they couldn't be total garbage, right?

vbrookslv 
Member - Posts: 8
Member spacespace
Joined: November 29, 2004
Location: United States
Posted: December 02, 2004 at 11:52 PM / IP Logged  

auex wrote:
You are better off upgrading your charging system or getting a second battery and an isolator.

The Ford Deisels all have two batteries stock (it needs that much CCA for starting, apparently).  I was always of the understanding that extra batteries for a stereo were all about extended run time when the alternator isn't turning.  Has this mindset changed?  I know I have plenty of source amperage for my system, it's just a matter of how quickly the alternators and batteries can respond, right?

Also, some additional information.  I contacted Phoenix Gold regarding my trusty MPS2500, to have them confirm what it is truly capable of before I go buying my new subs.  They advised a minimum 1-farad cap if I run it at 2ohm or less (which I probably will be).  If caps are a myth, they seem to be buying into it too?  Carbon Capacitors? -- posted image.

stevdart 
Platinum - Posts: 5,816
Platinum spaceThis member has made a donation to the12volt.com. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Mobile Audio and Video. Click here for more info.spaceThis member consistently provides reliable informationspace
Joined: January 24, 2004
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
Posted: December 03, 2004 at 6:23 AM / IP Logged  

http://www.sounddomain.com/item/PHOTIMX10K

Sure they are.  They have the product for sale, too.

Page of 2

  Printable version Printable version Post ReplyPost New Topic
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

  •  
Search the12volt.com
Follow the12volt.com Follow the12volt.com on Facebook
Sunday, April 28, 2024 • Copyright © 1999-2024 the12volt.com, All Rights Reserved Privacy Policy & Use of Cookies
Disclaimer: *All information on this site ( the12volt.com ) is provided "as is" without any warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, including but not limited to fitness for a particular use. Any user assumes the entire risk as to the accuracy and use of this information. Please verify all wire colors and diagrams before applying any information.

Secured by Sectigo
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
Support the12volt.com
Top
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer