comps louder/more sq than mbquart pce216'

i am looking for a pair of comps that are much louder(preferably twice as) than my pair of mb quart pce216's while still maintaining great sq. of course under a grand off of some internet retailer or ebay. i live in vermont now and i have the best system of everyone i know so i cant hear any components that are any better than mine    i love the quarts for jazz, techno, and rap. besides jazz, i mostly listen to hardcore and alternative so some silk domes tweets would be good. i prefer medium volume sq, but am planning on getting a brahma or eclipse titanium and do not want my sub to be able to overpower the mids and highs because i think it is pointless. how are the adire audio kodas in comparison to my quarts. i would love to have an all adire system. thanks in advance

i forgot to add, this will be for a 2002 bmw 318 covertible that i am buying this summer so funds will be tight. along with a 30 band equalizer, everything will have to be considerably louder because of it being a convertible. being what i would consider an audiophile, my last choice would be a car with a soft top. the only way i could ever afford a bmw that is extremely new to me, is by buying it from my rich aunt is selling it to me for a very good price. my other option is an 88 honda accord so i think my mind is made up.     my question is more of volume. ive heard many comps that sound better like the focal utopias for instance, but none that are all that much more loud.

A couple lead off questions: 1) How much power are you currently running to the quarts? 2) Do you currently use a high pass filter? If so, what frequency? 3) Do you plan to use the same amplifier to power the new speakers? New Project: 2003 Pathfinder

1)140-150rms if im pushing them, which i rarely do 2)150hz at a 12db slop 3)god no, am biamping using a kenwood amp and an old alpine amp the quarts are plenty loud for jazz, techno, industrial, and the occasional rap but sound like a*s when i crank them to alternative, hardcore, and sometimes even classic rock. i guess not really a*s, but not nearly as good as i want them to sound because of the titanium tweeters. i shopped around by listening to a bunch of sq systems at some driveway sq comps around here but didnt really help because we are all poor up in vermont. kappa perfects were considered amazing by most, my ghetto sq setup of the quarts and a w6 are condsidered unreal. i worked down in conneticut for a year and heard good stuff, but none of it was really loud except for the subs

Alright, a 10db rise in SPL sounds like a doubling in volume to our ears. If a doubling in volume is really your goal, you should shoot for another 10db. You can do 3 things to increase SPL in chunks: 1) Find more efficient components - this should be easy to do - that quart set is pretty inefficient. I believe the quart set is around 86db efficient. Something up at 90db would help. This could be a 4db gain. 2) Increase the number of midbass / midrange drivers. Any time you double the surface area you will increase efficiency of the system by 3db. 3) Increase the power. Doubling power increases SPL by another 3db. Increasing the power is tricky. Not many components are meant for more than 100watts or so. To reduce negative effects of more power - i.e., to keep it clean - continue to bi-amp. However, this time use a nice electronic crossover (AudioControl) with a steeper slope (24db or more). A steeper slope will allow you to push the tweeter harder without running into excursion related distortion problems as early. Considering your listening habits, I'm not sure that I'd be so quick to get rid of the titanium tweeters. Those tweeters help the high power handling that component set is capable of. Here's what I'd do with your budget - always fun. Keep the PCE set. Put them in your kick panels. Bi-amp them. Use a nice 3-way 24db electronic crossover. Buy 4 Koda 6 midbass drivers and a 2 channel amplifier for them. Put them in the door location. Use the Kodas from 80-600hz. Use the 6.5" quart from 600-2500. Use the quart tweet from 2500 up. Getting the midbass off the quart 6.5" will increase its power handling, reduce distortion, and increase its effective efficiency. You'll have a similar design to this car: http://www.raamaudio.com/fanaticmechanic.htm -- only your mid/tweet will also be bi-amped. That kind of setup will both 1) use the component set you currently have and 2) really rock the boys back in vermont. You'll be able to push it loud and it will stay very clean. ;-) Let me know what you think. New Project: 2003 Pathfinder

i am actually working on 2 fiberglassed enclosures for my 2 8" vifa woofers that i used to use as mid basses for a 4way system i built at home. all the boxes combined take up more space than my truck cab gutted and my new apartment is too small, so i had to take the monstrosity apart sadly. i am going to try puting the quarts on the 75rmsx2 amp alone, and getting the vifas on the 150x2 and crossing them over as high as possible(havent worked out the crossover frequencies yet, am still playing with enclosure volumes). the vifas of course are 8ohms, so i will bridge the amp and wire them in parallell. they are rated for 100rms, but with clean power i have had them handling 200 with minimal mechanical stress and little overheating.    the only problem with them in my truck, is i have no room up front and i cant modify the doors as i am going to sell it in the spring, so i will have to put them in enclosures on the sides behind the seats. does this sound like a good idea?     i usually keep my sub crossed over at 80hz at a 24db slope and my quarts at 150 at a 24db slope unless im playing at low volumes which is most of the time then i do 12db. which is fine for drum and bass, and god forbid korn, but when a bassist decides to play a note around the intersection life sucks. so its about sq. im pretty sure ill end up getting another amp, so the decks built in 3way crossover won't cut it. can you suggest a good but inexpensive 4 way electronic crossover for under $300?     i think i am done with this longwinded post, sorry about the pain in the ass reading and thanks for the advice so far. by the way, that truck was impressive as hell. i am going to have to "borrow" those door ideas for my new car

I would not bridge the 150x2 to midbass drivers. The 3db you lose from now running at full power is a MUCH smaller loss than losing stereo sound through the midbass region. If you care at all about SQ you will not do this. OR you could just buy another pair of those same vifa woofers. Then it would actually be 150x2 - in stereo! I'm not sure how much the AudioControl 4-way runs, but I'd consider that first. New Project: 2003 Pathfinder

that what i was thinking, but half of what they would be covering would be what a single ten would be covering. the woofers are discontinued i believe and im saving up for 2 brahmas or eclipse titaniums, amps, and a new alternator. does the idea of the 2 8s seem sound, especially being behind me and not from the front or sides?

I would try my hardest to get them as close to the midrange drivers as possible. Still, throw out the entire idea of bridging to the midbass. It is seriously a bad idea. New Project: 2003 Pathfinder

for the electronic crossover, i usually make my own passive crossovers, but because i am going to be using multiple amp i am not sure about what i should get.  i am tempted to just buy a cheapy 2way audiocontrol considering it is only lower frequencies that will be splite but know that i should spend the money and buy a good one.  i like the specs of the zapco ones, but cannot afford them as i am a college student right now.  i have only found the highest end and the lowest end.   i am looking to spend around 500 or so and would prefer a clean 3way, but will settle with a clean 2way if thats all i can afford.  so what company makes the middle?