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brianrwebb 
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what are the cons to supplying a ground for your eqiupment directly from the negative terminal of the battery? is the potential for inducing more noise into the system greater? versus a clean ground to the chassis?

i know the length of cable will always be less for grounds to the chassis, as runs to the negative battery terminal would be lengthy from anywhere within the car, especially for those items mounted in the trunk, however, i think of the car chassis as one large negative battery terminal. should i not think of it as this, and remember that a shorter ground length is of the utmost importance as long as termination of the ground point is secure and solid to chassis metal?

for the first time in an install of my own, i have developed alternator whine, and it is extremely discouraging -system sounds great when car isn't running, but as soon as ignition is turned on, horrible whine with variation in engine speed is present, and unbearable.

to amp- fused 8 gauge to positive terminal, 8 gauge to negative terminal, rca's from hu to amp, remote lead fead from acc+ in wiring harness.

i have read countless past posts here through search and most will find this post redundant, but it seems alternator whine is luck of the draw.

any opinions? thanks, Brian

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Are your amps mounted directly to body metal?  if so try mounting them on wood so the chassis dosn't touch any metal. 
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Ground directly to the negative terminal is ALWAYS the best. This will give you an almost nill resistance path for the ground. Whereas grounding to the chassis will give a much higher relative Ohm level. The thing is, the chassis is not a really good conductor of electricity, whereas a copper wire connected to the battery terminal is an excellant conductor
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Run your RCA signal wires along the opposite side of the car as the amplifire power wire.
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Yep.. The power wires generate electromagnetic interference, which will cause a "hissing" noise in the audio if the RCA cables are run along power cables
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yes, rca's are on opposite sides and, no, the amp, is on the vinyl material underneath the seat, not metal.

hey, as long as i don't 'drive' the car, everything sounds beautiful!

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If your amp is screwed down into the sheet metal you could remove the screws to test.  If the screws grounded the amp then screw the amp to a piece of plywood, then screw the wood to the floor.
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unfortunately, i have done as you suggested, to floor, to wood, to wood then floor, grounding of the amp is not the problem, guess i'll just get a 12V in-line choke or capacitor and pray for the best.
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Ground directly to the negative terminal is ALWAYS the best. This will give you an almost nill resistance path for the ground. Whereas grounding to the chassis will give a much higher relative Ohm level. The thing is, the chassis is not a really good conductor of electricity, whereas a copper wire connected to the battery terminal is an excellant conductor
This isn't always so. The floorpan of the car will act as a much heavier gauge conductor (thus less resistance) than a wire running from the trunk all the way back to the hood. This is especially so if you've upgraded the battery-to-chassis and engine block-to-chassis cables.
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Your battery is grounded to your chasis so I do not see the benefits of running a ground directly to your battery.  If anything, there is much more resistance in running another strand.  If you properly ground something to the chasis of your car, use a wire brush it will yield the same results if not better then going directly to your battery.
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