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cold 
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Posted: September 11, 2005 at 1:30 AM / IP Logged  
Hey folks, hope everyone is well and safe.
I just installed a system on my '05 GTI and the sub is "boomy" so to speak. meaning that the lowest bass freqs are compromised and there is a slightly overbearing boomy quality. I need the bass to be tighter and punchier in the lowest freqs. should i look at different enclosure styles? or something else?
Anybody have similar issues or am I the only one who wants to drive around in a mini Valve soundsystem on wheels?
If there are any DnB heads in the place, please report to the forum..
I tune my sub for Dillinja choons.Sub too boomy -- posted image.
at the moment:
Alpine 9847
Eclipse parametric EQ (in dash)
Eclipse 5 channel amp
1 farad cap
Polk Db components up front and Coaxial in rear
MB quart 12" in sealed box
its a modest set up, but the quart 12" really does the bizness when tuned properly!
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Posted: September 11, 2005 at 1:40 AM / IP Logged  

What's the volume of box in comparison to the mfr. suggestions.?

Who set up the sub channel adjustments? Did/have you taken some time adjust the freq. and gain? Sometimes the most important part of making it sound good is listening to it and adjsuting it for some time.

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Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:26 PM / IP Logged  

There may be too much bass output from the rear coaxials, and/or they may not be separated well enough from the subwoofer.  The combination of those with the sub may be creating some of the problem.  Work with the frequency adjustments and install a baffle separator between the rears and the subwoofer area.

To be sure the boominess is coming from the subwoofer alone, adjust the settings so that the only output is from the sub.  Use a test tone CD (see my thread "  tone generator... " to get one) and play several tones in the subwoofer range using sine waves.  See what frequencies are causing the problem.  You will then be closer to being able to pinpoint a cure.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
cold 
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Posted: September 12, 2005 at 1:13 AM / IP Logged  
Hi stevdart, dwarren,
to answer your questions; the rear coax and front components were set up so there was NO bass at all coming out, there was no doubt it was the sub that was the 'boomy' perpetrator. I re-adjusted the amp's HP crossover to get a little bass out of the front woofers to try and balance the bass out and then lowered the parametric EQ on the sub to atenuate the boomy freqs. There is a guy working at this shop who has a highly trained ear, or so they tell me. He tuned the whole thing initially.
stevdart- when you say 'baffle separator', to what are you referring, specifically?
The Box...the size matches the speaker pretty close, its a 1.0 cubic feet Q-logic sealed box, the MB Quart Premium DVC 12" - MB Quart recommends .95 Cubic feet, in fact that number is straight from Brian Sherman at MBQuart.
since I posted the original message, I have been working with the systems' crossovers, parametric eq and 6 band eq a bit. There is a crossover on the Eclipse EQ thats located on the top of the unit which is inside the dash, I cant access that without pulling it.
One thing that made a big difference was turning the Sub-box around so it faces the cabin. i also increased the amps sub crossover section to about 70 or 80hz, and then dropping the parametric EQ (in-dash) to 25hz, Q in the middle somewhere, not too wide, and not to much gain as the sub is loud. That seemed to tighten it up a bit.
Then, setting the HP crossover for the front at about 80hz or so, instead of the 110 that the installer set it when he 'tuned' it, which left a big mid-bass gap. Thats as good as I have gotten it so far.
When I drove home from the installers, the sound was pants, despite the "expertise" of this dudes 20+ years of judging competitions and building systems.   The front spkrs and sub sounded like they were in different rooms, and didn't coalesce at all.
Right now, the system is sounding a little better, and it does drop ok, just not low enough. that said the sub is obscenley loud.
I hope I didnt leave anything out, you guys's help is much appreciated!
peace

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