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rgm709 
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Posted: October 20, 2005 at 8:22 PM / IP Logged  

Hey, Nubee here, so go gentel on me...but still give it to me.

I've got a '03 Ford van w/ OEM 6 CD changer HU.  I Know it's not much, but I would like to keep it, and make a few alterations /improvements to it if I can.   It's got the factory installed AutoVision Rear Seat Entertainment System, (RSES) and the young'uns love it. They can watch a vidio or play there games on it.  They can also change the volume, input, radio,Cd, and track from the back. When they're hooked into head phones, they can listen to to the vidio audio source at the same time us front seat passengers get the radio/ CD audio (front speakers onlly, rear speakers are off)

Problem is, this big beast of mine (E-350 van) makes a lot of road noise at hiway speed, and I would like to hear the audio source better. Never mind that my 50+ year old abused ears can't hear well under the best conditions, I still know what  I like, and this system ain't it.... yet.   SO...

I'm thinking maybe better speakers might just do the trick, up front at least. Or maybe speakers and an amp. I know volume alone prolly wont do the trick, but does any one know the distortion of this HU / speakers at upper volume levels? Given the quality of the audio feed of this head unit, could better speakers alone, (or with an amp) improve my listening experience considering the high ambiant road noise levels it must over come?

Another thought is head phones. I'm thinking about putting jacks on the front speakers circuit, so that I can fade the volume, and/ or listen to the radio/CD while the kids do vidio in the back.

Problem with both of these "thoughts" is that there is no audio out from the HU for an amp, and I'm not sure the head phone jack will work. The jack would require  that the front l & r speaker neg (-) be tied together. The factory HU and speaker wireing have dedicated + and - to each speaker (two wires to each, and no common neg, or ground) , and I'm not sure the system will like the negs tied.

Your thoughts, comments, suggestions,and viliffacation, warmly recieved. Thanks, -Rob-

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Posted: October 20, 2005 at 8:56 PM / IP Logged  
You hear in decibels, your tiny little internal amplifier in the E350 is really struggling to produce about 10-15 watts of power. So louder means that you need a speaker that is more efficient or you need a larger amplifier. Better sounding is going to mean better speakers and better installation.
First off you drive a big metal gong. The first thing to consider is road noise. Is the vehicle undercoated? To attack the doors with a good amount of Brown Bread sound deadener is the place to start. Line the inside of the exterior door skin and then the interior door skin as well. This will minimize the loss of output in the midbass / midrange region of a new speaker (especially with more power).
Next you can do this one of two ways.
1) add new coax speakers and call it a day. Buy speakers that your ears like the tonal response of.
2) add a amp, new speakers and a interface adaptor (crucial).
Door#2 means that you will have more output at all volume levels, you will also have a much higher overall volume level. It is more than likely the path for you to travel down. By the sounds of it yuo are in this vehicle for a good amount of time and the stock system is almost as bad as the RX8 Bose system (which is the worst stock system I have ever heard).
Find yourself the right interface adaptor for the system. I prefer to use a advanced LOC like the Audio Control LC6 for this. www.audiocontrol.com for info on it or ask me as well. A amplifier that is rated at 50w rms per channel is all you are going to need. It does not need to be top of the line by any means, just a respectable amp to get the job done. (no Audibahn, Kenwood or Sony please) A good set of coax speakers again is more than likely all you need or a good set of pointsource components will work as well. Expect more tonal accuracy from the components. With a little work in the doors of that vehicle, a oversize 6.5" component like the MB Quart Reference series will fit fine (with a adaptor plate). Otherwise a 6x8" type speaker is the factory replacement size.
For rear speakers, I would not be too concerned with them at this time as it seems that as you are up front with the kids in the back listening to Clifford The Big Red Dog.
Take it a step at a time. Buy the right speakers, get them installed. If it is not loud enough or seems lacking in response, add the amp and interface adaptor as that will bring the new speakers to life.
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