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hex0rz 
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Posted: December 20, 2005 at 4:25 PM / IP Logged  

Alright guys. Need some help here. These questions range from this forum, so I thought it might just fit here since it is a dealing in car audio.

I have 3 amps, and two fans. I already have a relay. But I have 3 questions:

1. How do I connect the signal to all three amps? Do I buy three RCA's?

2. I was told it was okay to connect the 12volt power from the relay right to the dist. block for the power of my amps. Will the ANL fuse protect the relay, or should I fuse the relay from the dist. block? And if so, how?

3. How do I connect all 3 remote turn on-leads from the amps to the relay? Splice?

Vehicle: Mazda B2200 1989 X-Cab
Audio System:
1. (2) MTX TA3401
2. (2) MTX Thunder 7500
3. (1) MTX TA3202
4. Eclipse Fujitsuten SC8264 Component series
5. Pioneer Premier DEH-P770MP
arrow12 
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Posted: December 20, 2005 at 4:28 PM / IP Logged  

What are the amps and specs for them?

That's my opinion. Take it, leave it, or correct me.
kirktcashalini 
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Posted: December 20, 2005 at 6:20 PM / IP Logged  
you can splice all the remote turn on leads, do the Amps have something called a pass-thru as most do nowadays. also are you running them all for subs on the same channel, or what? need more info.
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hex0rz 
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Posted: December 20, 2005 at 6:24 PM / IP Logged  

The first three items in my signature that relate to my sound system are the amps that I own.

http://www.mtxaudio.com will provide you with all the info. you will need to know about my amps.

Could I just put three remote wires in the connector then onto the relay instead of splicing it?

Vehicle: Mazda B2200 1989 X-Cab
Audio System:
1. (2) MTX TA3401
2. (2) MTX Thunder 7500
3. (1) MTX TA3202
4. Eclipse Fujitsuten SC8264 Component series
5. Pioneer Premier DEH-P770MP
hex0rz 
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Posted: December 20, 2005 at 6:29 PM / IP Logged  

Oh, wait, my bad. Sorry for double postin', but I had to provide this info. to you.

The two Mtx TA3401's run one Thunder 7500 each.

The 3401's are a Mono-block class d amplifier

The TA3202 runs my eclipse SC8264 component speakers.

Vehicle: Mazda B2200 1989 X-Cab
Audio System:
1. (2) MTX TA3401
2. (2) MTX Thunder 7500
3. (1) MTX TA3202
4. Eclipse Fujitsuten SC8264 Component series
5. Pioneer Premier DEH-P770MP
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Posted: December 21, 2005 at 7:00 AM / IP Logged  

1.  Use two RCA's.  One is for the sub preout and the other is for the full range preout.  The sub RCA can go to one sub amp and pass through the preamp output to the second sub amp.  If your mono amp doesn't have a preamp output, buy a Y-splitter and feed both sub amps that way.  The second RCA will go to the components amp.

2.  The relay is on the turn-on wire, not the power wire.  As far as your questions sound about fusing:  the main fuse at the battery protects the power wire that goes from battery to distro block.  If it is a fused block, install fuses to protect the outgoing wires to the amps.  If it's not a fused block, install fuse holders and fuses between the distro and the amps to protect those power wires.  Don't put a relay on this power wire!

:::EDIT:::  I looked again at your wording and see that you meant that you wanted to use the distro block point as B+ source instead of the battery.  If you do, there is no change to the fusing info described here.

3.  Use the relay diagram shown here:

3 amps, how to wire? -- posted image.

The curved S-shaped symbol represents a fuse.  Fuse each of the accessories at a higher rating than their amperage draw.  The red line is 12V power source and is normally attached at the battery.  This wire is fused for protection as well, and will be rated high enough for the combined current draw of all accessories.  These currents are low, mind you.  An amp uses only about 1/4 amp to turn on, and fans use very little too.  Look at their amperage rating and add them all together.  This main fuse will protect the relay.

The wire marked "remote turn on lead" is attached at the deck.

More info:  https://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp

https://www.the12volt.com/relays/page5.asp

https://www.the12volt.com/relays/page5.asp#rtol

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hex0rz 
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Posted: December 22, 2005 at 2:06 AM / IP Logged  

Thanks for the help. I went and bought a Y splitter and I find out I paid like $15 for a foot of wire...

NOW, I have to go buy 2 MORE RCA's... Damn man, damn...

And it sounds like to me, that you want me to get rid of my non-fused dist. block. and get a fused block... Well, there goes another $20-25... Lol, damn you streetwires!

Can I just fuse the line coming out of 30 and just put in a fuse that equals all the loads on the line?

Im only using the relay to run 2 fans and the 3 amps...

Vehicle: Mazda B2200 1989 X-Cab
Audio System:
1. (2) MTX TA3401
2. (2) MTX Thunder 7500
3. (1) MTX TA3202
4. Eclipse Fujitsuten SC8264 Component series
5. Pioneer Premier DEH-P770MP
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Posted: December 22, 2005 at 7:05 AM / IP Logged  

The fuses and fuseholders for the wires to the fans:  total cost $5 anywhere.  This little fuseholder is 49 cents apiece and a pack of small amperage fuses a couple of bucks.  This pocket change is all you can get by with omitting if you were going to leave anything out of this install, and is that worth it?  I would fuse each wire as shown.  In the long run when you are trying to troubleshoot a problem with one component in the long chain of components that make up the entire sound system, you are much better off with the proper setup to work with.

There are no shortcuts when it comes to fusing the power wires out of the distro.  You can make smart choices in what you buy though.  A fused block isn't necessary, but the wires need a fuseholder after the block and before the amp.  You can use the block you already have and do some smart shopping to keep costs down on these important and necessary safety items.

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hex0rz 
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Posted: December 22, 2005 at 1:46 PM / IP Logged  

Hmmm, well could you enlighten me where I can get these supplies?

I come to find out that people want $65 and up for a streetwires fused distribution block! And $15 for a 150 amp FUSE!!! And $50 freaking dollars for a damn in-line fuse holder!

One question... I have only a 4awg wiring kit. But I have about upwards to 1000 watts rms. My amps all together draw 130 amps. Although, my vehicle is a mini pickup. So would it still be okay to use 4 gauge for power? Reason is becuase I realized my fuse for the power cable is AGU not ANL. So that means I have to go buy an ANL fuse and the holder. Does that mean I have to upgrade to 1 gauge?

Vehicle: Mazda B2200 1989 X-Cab
Audio System:
1. (2) MTX TA3401
2. (2) MTX Thunder 7500
3. (1) MTX TA3202
4. Eclipse Fujitsuten SC8264 Component series
5. Pioneer Premier DEH-P770MP
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Posted: December 22, 2005 at 4:40 PM / IP Logged  

Here are some of the items I used for my own car, for the same reasons you describe:

If you're not going to be adding much more to the system for awhile, do some math to see approx how much amperage your setup will pull.  An amp is fused according to its limit of operation.  If you're not using the amp that way the draw will be less.  For example, the amp is fused to allow peak operation at the minimum ohm load...but you're putting a 4 ohm load onto it.  Far less current draw.  For a good idea before actual setup and testing with a meter, use Ohm's Law I = P/E with P being the total power output at the RMS rated loads, and E being the voltage at the source (use 14).

Do the math in two parts:  once for all A/B amps, second time for all D amps.  There is a lower efficiency with the A/B amps, so use 50% to be conservative.  The answer for amperage draw that you found will be doubled for these amps.  For the mono amps, a conservative efficiency would be to add 20% on top of the answer to find actual current draw.

Anybody find I've erred...do jump in.  Ohm's Law makes my head hurt.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
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