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kirktcashalini 
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Posted: January 16, 2006 at 5:38 PM / IP Logged  
Alright alright, I know, high output alternators.... I dont have that serious of a system, and my alternator was tested, and still makes 99 amps (Delco 120 Amp with 90k+ miles) at 2000+rpms. Obviously not as much at idle. I dont listen to my bass that high that often, but if I am and I am at a stop light the voltage may drop from 14.4 to mayyybe 14, and possibly minor dimming of the headlights (nothing serious, and only at stops). I dont want to bother with the high output alternator as I dont even really think I need one. I know everyone is against capacitors to fix problems. I have a 60 amp fuse for my system, I probably could run a 40 without blowing it. It is a class D monoblock, and I was just wondering if a 1-2 farad capacitor would be right for me? or should I just stay straight the way I am? thanks guys.
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Posted: January 16, 2006 at 6:42 PM / IP Logged  

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I have a 60 amp fuse for my system, I probably could run a 40 without blowing it.

What you're saying here is that you believe there's no more than 40 amps flowing at any time, right?  From what you have said that's probably true, especially using the more efficient class D mono amp for the sub.

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but if I am at a stop light the voltage may drop from 14.4 to mayyybe 14, and possibly minor dimming of the headlights (nothing serious, and only at stops).

If the headlights dim with the voltage at 14, you should look at the car's electrical wiring and find out why.  Better yet, you should do some better testing as your statement re: voltage sounds a little bit iffy.  Find out if there is a current problem with the lights in that car.  You should make it priority number 1 to start an upgrade of some of the OEM wires under the hood.  Upgrade the big 3 and then see if there are any problems.  Other than that, you're not a candidate for the addition of a cap for several reasons that you have stated:

  • I don't have that serious of a system
  • I don't listen to my bass that high that often
  • nothing serious, and only at stops
  • (OEM alt that came with the car)

The original alternator was most likely selected for the car because it was enough to power everything that the car came with.  Manufacturers don't overbuild and throw extras into the car "just in case".  But if you just want a cap for the sake of having it, sure.  BTW, there's a new sticky above that deals with cap issues.

 

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kirktcashalini 
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Posted: January 16, 2006 at 6:49 PM / IP Logged  
yeah heh I noticed all the recent capacitor pages and thats why I decided I'd ask my question... yes I do not believe that more than 40 amps is going through it at any time, correct.
you know what, come to think of it. it might just be volt meter dipping from 14.4 so fast that it doesnt immediatly go down to where it is at. you are correct about that.
The dimming is barely noticable. but if i am against a building, my anal attention to stupid stuff would notice it, and probly not many other people would.
the amp is pushing out ample power to charge everything, and only during big power burps does it get funny, and only at an idle.
I just dont know if its worth getting a capacitor or not. Just a couple of ideas, or people with mediocre systems when they used one and had good or bad experiences. thanks guys.
yeah, I will probably do the Big 3 soon. with 2 or 0 guage. Its one of those things you should only do once, so might as well do it big right?
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Posted: January 16, 2006 at 7:01 PM / IP Logged  

It could be as simple as cleaning up and sanding or scraping some ground contacts in the engine bay.  Or just replacing the battery-to-chassis cable.  I think a lot of guys get the idea that a cap solved a minor dimming problem but it was just one of several things that was done to the car at about the same time.  Some guys want one just for the fact that they have the belief that it should be a part of a loud system (and it probably benefits also by shutting up all their friends who are constantly advising them to get a cap!).

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kirktcashalini 
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Posted: January 16, 2006 at 7:43 PM / IP Logged  
Well you've convinced me to mess with wiring up in the engine bay before thinkin of getting a cap. You are a pretty knowledgable guy, and I will definatly listen to what you have to say. I am sure adding some heavy duty short cables getting the best of all my connections will help some, and will do that before any other equipment gets added. thanks for your input. Also is the part 4 of the big 3, engine block to chassis ground, or what? I know the big 3, but I hear about 4 every once and a while as well. Thanks.
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Posted: January 16, 2006 at 9:52 PM / IP Logged  

Here is the thought I took with me after reading Rob's ground sticky:  part 4 is the big brother of the big 3.  It relates to the sometimes poor conductivity of a car's ground path because of the various ways that the factory attaches one part of a car's chassis to another part.  That is to say, if you just can't get a good enough path through the chassis for the current to flow back to the battery (after the big 3 upgrade), then running the ground wire directly back to the battery is the thing to do.

If that's not the fourth part you're referring to, I don't know.  But it's just basically good connectivity from any part of the electrical system, which includes the car's sheet metal chassis, to every other part.  Negative to negative, positive to positive...of course.

  • Battery neg. to chassis - since amplifiers are grounded to the chassis the current flow must be allowed to flow as freely as the power wire current from B+.  OEM wiring here is smaller than most power wiring used in aftermarket systems.  You can leave the original wire intact.
  • Alternator to battery pos.- gauge needs to be large enough for everything electrical in the car, including the add-on sound system.  Usually done by attaching a new large gauge wire directly from the alt to the battery +, leaving the OEM wire in place.
  • Chassis to engine block - the alt is grounded directly to the engine block (bolts) so a good connection between that and the chassis metal will ensure good current flow.

When your car is showing signs of a power overload in the headlights, it is a visual sign that there is also an overload condition everywhere else.  You just can't see the results everywhere else.  And in your case, the OEM alt should be able to handle the added draw of your system (from what I gather).  It's all those secondary electrical components and the wiring between each one of them that has to be examined, cleaned or upgraded.  A fresh battery and clean posts is also a good start.

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