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I am looking for the displacement (Vd) of my SW9122.
Why are Eclipse's specs so hard to find!? Does anyone know a website that has info for this woofer and other Eclipse subs and speakers?
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Why do you want to know the Vd?  Keep in mind that it might not be comparable to other manufacturers as many manufacturers rate Xmax and Sd differently.
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Posted: March 29, 2006 at 6:53 AM / IP Logged  

If you're entering parameters into a design program, Vd will be auto-calculated if you have some other parameters entered.  Try this:  in the blank driver editor box, enter the values Xmax and Sd.  You will see two calculated values appear:  Dd and Vd.

Here an example of a database I filled in the other day.  The values in green are entered by me, the values in blue were calculated by WinISD:  autocalc.jpg

If you're looking for volume displacement of the whole driver installed for the purpose of calculating airspace, the value Vd will not give you what you want.  In the example above, the actual displacement of the sub, front-mounted to a 3/4" baffle, was listed as .07 cu ft...where in the pic you can see that the value of Vd is only .045 ft^3.  This is something I do a lot of guesswork on;  comparing given displacements for several subs and making a call for a particular one I don't have info on.  And, if you are doubling the baffle face, the displacement would be less by the cu. inches of the extra cutout hole.

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I know it is the product of xmax and Sd. right? I cant even find Sd.
I am building a new box and just want to make sure I can make it accurate.
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Posted: March 29, 2006 at 4:19 PM / IP Logged  
Look in the owner's manual.
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Yeah, I wish I could find it. Most manufacturers have their manuals posted on the net. Except Eclipse doesnt seem to. Maybe this is to discourage grey market buying?
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Posted: March 29, 2006 at 5:00 PM / IP Logged  

Yes, that may be why.  Here's what I found for the 9122.  It may not be 100% accurate but it should be close enough for modeling work.

Fs=27Hz; Qts=0.30; Re=3.8; Vas=90.6 liters; Xmax = 3.81 cm (one way); Sd=335 cm^2

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With these values it calculates a box at about .685 cubic feet. Seems like it should be quite a bit bigger than that... (Qts = .707)
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Posted: March 29, 2006 at 6:04 PM / IP Logged  
Yep.  Loks like sealed is 19.89 liters (0.702 cuft) net airspace for Qtc=.707.  Fb is pretty high around 90Hz.  Much better response in a vented enclosure of 34 liters (1.3 cuft) tuned to 36Hz.
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which vented box alignments should I choose when modeling in WinISD?
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