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6000ssei 
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Posted: May 15, 2006 at 10:21 PM / IP Logged  

I have a couple of Orion XTR 12" subwoofers kicking around the house and since I dont feel like going out and spending money on home audio subs, I figured I could just make something with what I have..

I will be useing MDF board to build whatever it is I decide to make.. I want something that can handle solid bass and doesnt sound loose and flimsy, something that sounds tight.. Some of my music is pretty speaker demanding. I also would like it to be able to handle lower tones well also..

I have looked around a little recently at different ideas and still am unsure what I would like.. What is your opinions? I could build either one larger box for both speakers or two smaller boxes.. I came across this one sub box design called the "home wrecker", anyone ever heard of it?

TIA for your assistance.

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Yeah i've heard of the home wrecker. It's from DECWARE.com right. Well you could try making a "wicked one" for home audio also. Either one would probably more than surpass your expectations.
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Posted: May 15, 2006 at 10:51 PM / IP Logged  

You'll probably be working trial-and-error methods with that unless you are capable of measuring those subs' physical and T/S parameters.  Do you have any idea of what was published for these?  Do you know of a link that you can share with the forum?

If you don't have anything, you could start with a rough box at least 6 cu. ft.  Buy a plate amp of maybe 500 watts or so from Parts Express, depending on what power these will take.  Wire the two speakers to somewhere between 4 and 8 ohms, depending on their configurations.  Cut two speaker holes in one baffle and form a rough box, sealed.  Try it at 6 cu ft and see what it does using test tones.  You want the sub range from about 25 to 100 Hz to play at about the same level through every frequency although it should still probably drop lower in amplitude under about 35 Hz.  If you get something crazy like the subs are flapping at 35 Hz or the tones are too loud in some range or another, reduce the box size to 5 cu ft and try it.  This box should be a test box with one end adaptable for moving.  You would move the end in, screw it, and caulk the seam.  Lots of time involved with trial and error.

Looking to build a home audio sub box -- posted image.

After you've decided how much air space you should give them, build a nice enclosure and leave the carpet for the car.  Finish it with something else for the house.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
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Posted: May 15, 2006 at 10:55 PM / IP Logged  
Well, my suggestion would be "Keep those Orions in the car, where they belong" Not a good woofer for true SUB applications... They are fine for "detached woofer" use, but a true subwoofer? No way.
They wont go low... well they might, but being as they are a pretty short throw woofer, (designed mostly for efficiency, not extension) they won't move enough air to be effective at subwoofer frequencies.
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
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Definitly some interesting feedback so far. And yes the home wrecker sub box was from decaware.com.. I dont know if its any good or not and I dont have anything to measure the subs with either. They arent the best sub but its all I have to work with and theres gotta be some decent enough sound to be had from them.. The trial and error might be the way to go.. I am not looking for professional sound by any means because presently, I dont have the equipment to produce that type of thing.. If I build a box with both of them in it, should they be sealed from each other? The homewrecker box would probably work nicely but building it to be perfect would be very difficult.
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I built a ported enclosure for a kicker cvr12 that is currently residing in my garage and it sounds great (to me). I've never really heard a high-end home system luckily, so I am happy with what I have.
I say go for it and have fun. It won't be audiophile, but neither will the price. And of course rattling the walls a little in the house is always a blast. Looking to build a home audio sub box -- posted image.
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It will be boomy but not very accurate for home use and Haemphyst is right on they will not play as low as a good HT speaker good subs you should feel and not hear and should blend seamlessly with the other speakers but most people like the boomy bass that has become the norm. If your after a good project get the Titanic 12" sub from parts express and the 250 watt plate amp if interested I have a sight that has the proper box design for that sub and will out perfom any thing up to at least a $1,000
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dragon51- could you please post that link?
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Posted: May 16, 2006 at 11:36 AM / IP Logged  

The problem with using car audio subs in the house is generally car subs have too high an Fs and Qts numbers.  They are designed to produce peak SPL in the 50-70Hz range and to be inefficient so very small enclosures and very high power amps can be used.  In a home theater, you want the lowest Fs and highest efficiency possible, as you want those 20-40Hz rumbles required for big movie soundtracks.  Plus in a room you want to be able to use much smaller amplifiers than in a car because of expense and heat and because of your electricity bills.  :)

That being said, you can certainly use the woofers you have if you choose.  Like Steve said you'll need to obtain or measure the T/S parameters of the sub (at the very least you'll need the Fs and Qts.  Perhaps you can get this info by emailing Orion?)  Then you can model the subs in software like WinISD or Unibox and see how large and what type of an enclosure you might need.  Then it's up to you to decide if it's worth the effort to go for it, or if buying an HT sub might be a better idea.

Dayton subwoofers are the house-brand of Parts Express.

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6000ssei 
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Posted: May 16, 2006 at 11:43 PM / IP Logged  
Wow there is a lot to be learned in here.. Since I am somewhat new at some of this, I am going to be sort of a newb when I ask what this is? "Fs and Qts numbers" And since these subs are older I dont even know if anyone would even have any information on them at all..
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