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dkeshish 
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Posted: October 28, 2006 at 9:50 PM / IP Logged  
Hello i know a capacitor is not as usefull as people think. this is more esthetic than anything else for me. I have a Power Acoustik 2.0 capacitor, it has a neon light on it as some of you may have seen one. My question is this cap has only 2 wires 1 + 1 - no remote wire to turn the neon on or off... does it shut off after a while? will this drain my battery after a while? Thanks everyone.
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It will shut off by itself unless the display is defective.

The cap will never drain your battery because once it is charged it remains "neutral" until it is discharged or in operation.

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Posted: October 28, 2006 at 10:22 PM / IP Logged  

The capacitor does not shut off, and no it won't drain your battery. A capacitor is used when there is a large drain for a very short period of time like when your bass hits (it is not for a continuous drain on your system if there is too much attached for you alternator to handle).

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kymadan wrote:

The capacitor does not shut off, and no it won't drain your battery. A capacitor is used when there is a large drain for a very short period of time like when your bass hits (it is not for a continuous drain on your system if there is too much attached for you alternator to handle).

Sorry... I need to add to this.... The capacitor does not shut off.... But the light does shut off when the capacitor is idle for a period of time.

master5 
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Thats what I meant also kymadan if misunderstood.

master5 
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[QUOTE=kymadan]

(it is not for a continuous drain on your system if there is too much attached for you alternator to handle)

If the alternator can't handle the demands of the system a cap won't really help that. The charging system and all wires need to be up to task.

During higher current "bursts" such as heavy bass, the cap is actually meant to make up for any momentary voltage drop in the power wires of the amp,but realistcally, if the wires are the proper gauge or bigger (never can be too big) it is highly doubtful you would notice any difference by ear.

However, noted that this cap is used for asthetics in this case.

dkeshish 
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Thank you all. quick response. appreciate it all!
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You could check with the manufacturer about whether the light should go off or not.. you could also install an ammeter into the circuit and measure how much current the light is drawing.. caps will also 'self discharge' over time.

I would suggest you know what you're doing if you decide to attempt to measure the curent draw.. if the cap is discharged then you might smoke the meter (or the meter fuse) when you try to take the measurement.

Caps.. I personally don't have a problem with them. I don't think it's understood what the actual purpose of them is, and they get the blame for not fixing problems that they don't have the ability to fix. I believe they make a measurable difference, but perhaps not an audible one.

Something I'm seeing more of now that it's getting darker is the inability of the alternator to quickly change output.. there is an inherent lag issue with increasing altenator output with regard to transient loads. I'm noticing this in situations of engine idle and a increased load of AC compresser and condenser fans.. while running defrost, the AC system will cycle.. when the system cycles on, the headlights will momentarily dim, then come back up to their normal brightness as the alternator increases output. If you consider how an alternator/regulator circuit works it's not an unreasonable condition.

Thoughts?

Jim

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My personal thoughts on it are as such. I would imagine it would depend on the type of charging system components combined with the alternator that would determine when it "kicks" in. I notice with higher output alternators that they produce lower voltage at idle, but rev it up and I have seen some approach 15 volts.

As far as accessories dimming etc. I have noticed depending on the vehicle that the dash lights and head unit display lights will dim to bass beats. This is without any external amplifiers so my deduction is that it is Vdrop due to the the small gauge wires contributing or completely causing the loss.

IMO I would think that a "stiffening" capacitor is used to deal with this issue, but only for the amplifier(s) but under more extreme conditions..such as high powered amplifiers under heavy current demand (bass notes etc). The sudden "rush" of current is large enough for a brief moment to be resisted by the wire in most cases, causing a Vdrop in the wire, hence less V reaching the amp(s) at that moment.

I can't imagine a cap really doing much else of any purpose such as filtering ripple current or stabilizing voltage when the instability stems from a charging system/battery that is not up to task.

Anyone agree/disagree?

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Posted: October 29, 2006 at 10:35 PM / IP Logged  
Yeah I've noticed that my alternator in my explorer doesn't put out as high a voltage as my friends 98 explorer...his is at 14.4 as mine is somewhere in the 13.8-14 volts region. Also I can see my volt gauge drop a little when I turn the fan on high at idle and what it go back up from the lag
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