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bambamvan 
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Posted: December 13, 2007 at 12:00 AM / IP Logged  

Hello, I was looking to see if any one had any experience with walls in van especially a mid 90's ford econoline van. Last season I ran a wall at the B pillar with 4 12" kicker L7 woofers mounted on the passenger side and port on drivers side of the vehicle(left). Didnt have enuff power to the subs i now find out to get good numbers highest i scored last season was 149.4 certified score. After season ended got a hold of a diff amp and increased my numbers. But for the 2008 season I am up grading everything from woofers batteries wiring and reinforcing box with steel. I have replaced the l7's with four 18" RD subwoofers. Upgraded batteries from 2 basic rv/marine batteries to two cactus 9000's running more runs of power wire, and upgrading the amplifiers from 2 d2400.1 directeds to a few stetsom 7kd's. <p>

My Question is for any tips with larger vehicles like the vans. initial box curently is 30 qu ft. going to do trial and err down sizing  and adding wedges to find the qu ft the subs and van like. Have been told to use larger box with less pwer and smaller boxes with more power. And how many of you have ran multiple runs of power wire to acomidate for the amperage that is being sent threw the system. should a guy go by what the wiring chart says that lefts say 1/0 wire can handle well depends on what chart you look at but on average is supose to handle 300/350 amps. if i am going to be burping lets say a ballpark of 3500+ amps should i have at least 12 runs of +/- power wire? thats not even figuring in curent loss for distance. and when is it to much wire? by specs the cs 9000 battery will sortcircut charge 9000 amps am i suposed to have that much avail amperage in wiring?

jeffchilcott 
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Posted: December 14, 2007 at 1:08 AM / IP Logged  
Sounds like you are going to be gearing up to become a heavy hitter.   You are probably looking around and seeing alot of people using vans are using astro's and caravans...do not be pushed off by this.   Some of the loudest people the modified and Super Street classes are using a for econline van.
In USACI the Rileys (alan and bobby) used an econline vand for year to take rockford fosgate to the top for years in the high modified classes.
In DB DRAG Bob Perillo took the SS5+ class this year using a econoline.
Here is what I can gather and reccomend.
The Stetsom amps are amazing, and good amps.   I talk to thier rep normally once a week. He is a comeptitor by the name of alan dante. Yes the loudest drag style competitor on earth, he reps, and sells thier product in the US.
If you are planning on running 12volt are you ordering the new stetsom 12 volt models?   or does is not matter?
Are you planning to run street max, and this is why your considering the CS batteries, and 12 volt?
Wire.   Your wire rating is for an extended period of use. Myself I still run 12 AGU speaker wire on multiple amp setups, and larger on single amp setups.   But either way I have clamped over 200+ amps on the speaker wire using 10 AGU wire.   Is this causeing a loss?   Yes, is it substantial?   maybe.   I know in the world of DB DRAG runs of 1/0 are a common place, and seeing 8,10 or even 16 runs of power and ground to buss bars then to the amps it common.
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2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
bambamvan 
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Posted: December 14, 2007 at 10:50 AM / IP Logged  

Thank you for the confadince build so many people are telling me that it will never be loud. and use a caravan or astro or other.  But to me it was was avail and got a great deal on it its large enuff when i put 5k  miles on this summer basicly back n forth between bordering states i camped in the van or tent at campsites. so it has been wokring out for me affordability wise vrs hitting hotels for every show. 

Yes i plan on running street max . And have talked to Alan about the 12 volt versions. Planning on prdering the cactus 9000's this next week the only other battery i have ran acrossed for extreamly high and fast discharge is the spl cell batts but considerable amount diff  in price. And another question pertaining to power wire. "X" brand of wire  has or that im considering 2 diff series of 1/0 series "A" is 5145 strands of pure oxygen free coper weighing in at  .42/foot and at$3.25/footrated at 300amp, Series B wire on the other hand in 90% aluminum and 10% copper with a rating of 250 amp weighing in at .2 / foot  and price at $1.75 / ft. In reality a guy would prolly want to go with series B wires bc of the cost for running multiple runns. for speaker wire last year i used 8 agu. And what worked good to run my jumpers and leads was using 4 agu ring terminals splicing together that way and taping the hell out of terminals for exctra security, vrs trying to stuff dual wires in sub terminals and having to crawl in the box to fix it inbetween runs. Basicly money talks but is there any drastic differnces between copper and alum? as in wire or buss bars?the drop should be min correct?

I plan on doing steel structure (2" tube)for final box. lessen the flex.

Thank you for the input and looking forward to more if you or any one else thinks of anything.

jeffchilcott 
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Posted: December 14, 2007 at 1:07 PM / IP Logged  
It looks by the cost that you could almost do 2 runs of the aluminum wire for the price of the copper. If you were planning on doing 12 runs I would plan on doing 16 runs of the aluminum, you would still save some money. and should be close to the same current capacity.
I will say one thing about those vans.   From what I have noticed with the people running them, they appear to like a large quantity of smaller woofers. IE 10 12's or things along that line.   I would go with the 18's if you have them, but if not, maybe look at something like that.
I talked some with alan about the SPL cell's    But I havent done or seen any a/b comparisions between the catcus and the SPL cell.   I know that they are planning to be coming for CES and the price is slightly better right now on the Catcus then it normally is. But I would maybe go with the SPL cell do to its cost and the fact it is made and shipped right here from in the US.   If you have any questions I am sure it would be easier to reach someone about it.
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2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
bambamvan 
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Posted: December 14, 2007 at 8:54 PM / IP Logged  
yea i have the 18" woofers allready. the 2900 splcell they are claiming has more power thant the cs9000. looking for head to head within 5 days.

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