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evolgrin 
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Im doing a Remote Start in my brother's 2004 Mitsubishi Eclipse and i am having a lot of trouble finding the tach wire. Originally I went to the coil, based on the directwire info, tested it for AC current and found what I thought would work, but the RS simply would not learn the tach signal.
After talking to my manager (i work at the Best Buy intall bay) he said not to use the coil and go to the fuel injector and there would be 2 wires, one which is the same on all plugs, and one which is different for all plugs. ive tested both (he said it was the different one), neither seem to be the tach.
Unless i screwed up testing the wires, the one its supposed to be (the uncommon colored one) has voltage when the car is on but not running, however the voltage does change when the engine is revved, although it usually drops.
Any help on where to find this tach wire, i know im looking in the right spot, i just cannot find it. any help would be appreciated
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RED / white @ the coils. On a 4cyl. you can get 2 readings at the PCM blk/blue pin#11, or wht/grn pin 12.
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The reason why you are getting 12volts on it when the vehicle is off is because the engine computer outputs a ground signal to fire the fuel injectors.  Fuel injectors are resistive devices (much like relays) so if you apply a constant 12vdc on one side (like they do) and leave the other side ungrounded (like it is when the motor isn't running) then BOTH wires will read 12vdc.  However, the 12vdc on the other side will be current limited by the resistance of the fuel injector, so it isn't a true 12vdc source.

Once you start the car, the engine computer is outputting a short ground signal to each fuel injector one time per revolution.  Your multimeter is averaging the on/off ratio, which is why the voltage drops.

Things have changed quite a bit over the past few years in terms of multimeters.  You should NOT be using an AC meter for tach monitoring, you should be using a frequency meter (reads in Hz).  You can buy a cheap Craftsman meter for $30 that will read frequency (or you can spend some cash and get a Fluke).  While reading frequency you'll get a constant frequency at idle (in relation to the pulses per revolution) that is actually predictable (a fuel injector on a 4 cylinder motor running at 1000rpm would be around 4 Hz - 4 cycles per second).  As you increase the motor RPM the frequency, too, will raise at a predictable level ( the same moter at 4000 RPM would read close to 16 Hz).

I used to use AC voltage monitoring to measure for a tach signal, but once I got a frequency meter I'll never use AC again.

Here is a link to such a meter - http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_03482139000P?vName=Tools&cName=Electrical+Shop&sName=Multi-Meters%2C+Testers+%26+Accessories

I actually have several of these meters and I love them.   They are great because they are basically disposable.  If I'm doing basic stuff like alarms/remote start I'll use one of these meters and not worry about dropping or breaking it.  If I'm doing something that requires a high speed meter or something special I'll pull out my Fluke meter.

Kevin Pierson
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Kevin P. and Gary the Kar Tune Man Stop or I'll shoot??? Will probably kill me but I use a snap-on red + green LED probe (NOT a power probe) and it's worked every time! N.B. Any of the non-comon injector wires works fine on a Mits.
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I would think the LED approach would work better then using a meter set on AC.  At least with the LED you can visually see RPM.  The only issue I would have there is current consumption.  I'm sure they are low current LEDs though, so it's all good!

I'm big on "using the right tool for the right job" and just never had confidence with the AC meter because it was unpredictable.  I had wires that read as tach signals but wouldn't program and such.  But, I've never had a frequency meter tell me wrong!

Kevin Pierson
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Thanks guys for the help, got the tach wire programmed. RS works flawlessly.

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