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smoxy 
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Posted: July 17, 2009 at 9:49 PM / IP Logged  

I have installed an Ultra Start W4501 into my 2008 Ford Super Duty Diesel. Everything alarm works fine but it will not auto start because it cannot tach learn. I know it is getting a tach signal as the LED's and park lights are lit up solid and when I disconnect the tach wire, they go out. I have also put my meter on the tach wire and seen frequency! My ignition wire is good as I have metered it and it is 12v  in run, ignition. I have also run a jumper from the blue to red wire of the 6-pin to ensure 12v at crank! I am using a Ford PATS by-pass module (7L2Z-19G365-AA). I am using my white wire of the 6-pin as a second ignition and hense put the jumper on that setting. I have tried all three settings and it made no difference! I have done countless system resets and even disconnected the brain and shorted out the 12v to ground to bleed off any capacitance! Still no luck! Please help! I am beginning to think I might have a bad brain! Let me say I'm not too fond of Ultra Start right now! One big head ache!

Description                          W4501                              Truck

Starter                                  Yellow                               Blue/White (ign. harness)

Accessory                            Green                               PURPLE / Green (ign. harness)

12v                                        Red                                  Fuse block (+) post

2nd Ignition                            White                               BROWN / Yellow (ign. harness)

Ignition                                    Blue                                 WHITE/ Orange (ign. harness)

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Ground                                  Black                                Dash Frame

Hood Pin                               GREEN / WHITE                     Hood Pin

(+) Door Trigger                    Purple                               Yellow/Grey (pass. kick)

(+) Brake Light                       Pink                                   PURPLE / White (brake switch)

(-) Park Light                          RED / White (program)       Relays (headlamp & autolamp)

Anti-Theft Bypass                  WHITE/ Purple                     PATS By-pass module (-)

Tach                                       Blue/White                        Blue wire in PTO harness

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Dome Light Super                  Black                                 GREEN/ Blue (dimmer switch)

Siren(+)                                  WHITE/ Blue                         Siren (+)

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Door Lock                               Green                                 Blue/Green (driver kick)

Door Unlock                            Blue                                   Yellow/Purple (driver kick)

*** The only things I have programmed are Menue 2 Setting 2 for negative park lights.

The rest are defaults!

tommy... 
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Posted: July 19, 2009 at 9:36 PM / IP Logged  
Switch ignition 1 and ignition 2 ...I remember on windstars and some other fords...I had to flip-flop Ign 1 and Ign 2 off of r/s...It does not start w/ tach-less...?
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smoxy 
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Posted: August 04, 2009 at 2:20 PM / IP Logged  
Sorry, I've had the module sent out to be replaced as that is what the tech at Ultra Crap told me to do! I have installed the new one and still no tach learn! I tried switching IGN1 and IGN2 but still had no luck! Anyone else had any experience with these things? Is there a wire I've connected wrong that is causing the unit to lock out? Or is there a crazy stupid initialization sequence or learn sequence that I've not done? I'm at my wits end with this thing! This is the worse product I've ever worked with! Please help!
tommy... 
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Posted: August 06, 2009 at 8:27 AM / IP Logged  
Sorry man...You have tried tach-less...? You do have to do a sequence for tach learn...Should say in manual...
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tommy... 
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Posted: August 06, 2009 at 8:47 AM / IP Logged  
Ill try to be a little more specific...I have installed alot of ultra starts...Sorry...never that model...But we always had a problem w/ fords and ultra starts...Normally it was the ign 1 wire in vehicle would have residual/backfeeding voltage...Sometimes around 1 volt...And the r/s would see ign 1 as having power, and would not remote start...Usually by flip/flopping the ign1/ign2 cured the problem...Maybe check this on your 08 ford(meaning you might have to go deeper then flip/flop of ignitions)...As far as tach learn...On the older systems...It was like key on/off...press valet...start car(something like that)...What does it say in the manual for tach learn...? And are you able to get in tachless mode...? I do recall that even w/ the wrong wire hooked up to tach on r/s...The led's would still light up...They just would never go out/tach learn...! BTW...It is not responding at all when pressing r/s feature...right...?
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tommy... 
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Posted: August 06, 2009 at 8:53 AM / IP Logged  
On my way to the shop...But if you throw up a link to the manual...Will breeze through while i have some down time...(and worse case ill find the manual myself...lol)
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smoxy 
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Posted: August 07, 2009 at 6:44 AM / IP Logged  

Thanks for your help. This particular model will not work tachless unfortunately! This should link you to my manual I hope!http://www.ultrastarters.com/manuals_download_pdf/English/MAN-45XX-INSTALL-U.pdf

I can't see much for a tach learn sequence! The manual is very poorly done! In my opinion they don't want the average joe installing!


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