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rideexileex 
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Posted: December 27, 2009 at 5:01 AM / IP Logged  
I just installed a Clifford Matrix 50.5X on a 2000 4runner with the factory alarm system and thought I had every kink worked out until I started to test the remote start & ignition.
At first, I had the 3rd ignition wire hooked up to the factory alarm harness (key sense wire) and noticed that after turning the car on with the key (not using any part of the remote start), the vehicle would continue to run until the key was physically taken out of the ignition. Even at the ACC position, the motor was still running.
So then I removed the harness from the relay satellite and it fixed the above problem, and now without that wire, remote starting the vehicle while armed causes the factory alarm to trigger.
What is the remedy/happy medium? Thanks!
howie ll 
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Why the 3rd ignition sense? Is the keysense pos or neg? I always thought it was neg on Toyotas. TEST. If so use your GWR wire to trigger the keysense. If this wire is used for another purpose, e.g. a bypass, diode it away with the band towards the alarm.
howie ll 
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Yes, I just looked on Directwire, it's a yellow/red, neg as I thought and connect the GWR, wire (another name is Status Output) to it. That well disable the factory alarm during remote start. I have to add this is r/s 101 and you should have checked this before posting!
rideexileex 
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howie -
The yellow/red wire that you are talking about, the one in the factory alarm harness, is the one that I previously had connected. When it was connected, the vehicle did not shut off properly, as said above. When disconnected, said problem was resolved, but now causes the factory alarm to panic (IE no siren, just the horn).
howie ll 
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Posted: December 27, 2009 at 3:11 PM / IP Logged  
Actually NOT SAID ABOVE, you never mentioned it in your original post.
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Posted: December 27, 2009 at 4:39 PM / IP Logged  
What color "3rd ignition wire" are you connecting to the keysense wire? I bet it is pink. You should be using a blue wire. If the blue is being used for something else (bypass module) then there are other wires you could use. Blue/white comes to mind, without looking at the manual.
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Posted: December 27, 2009 at 9:21 PM / IP Logged  
Hook up disarm to keysense. This is what i do on most toyotas, and have no issues.
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rideexileex 
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Posted: December 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM / IP Logged  
howie -
2nd and 3rd lines in my first post describe the problem...
Yeah, I was using the pink wire off of the extra port coming from the relay satellite. It outputs a 200mA max - with the ignition according to the manual. One of the wiring guides for the 4runner said to use this wire, which made sense in my mind... (key sense only while starting)
Blue - for the status output? Why that wire? I have that hooked up to to the defrost but I can use the secondary status output from the relay satellite.
I'll try to wire it up that way tomorrow and post back with the results
howie ll 
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Posted: December 28, 2009 at 3:19 AM / IP Logged  
The whole problem being that the key sense wire is NEG, I see where your'e going now but a status wire or as Zerep said a factory disarm, the pink wire feeds when the ignition is on NOT the R/S and that's why your ignition was staying on. It should only be used for an extra ign, NOT that function because it will go to ground all the time the ignition is on, in fact it was working like a turbo timer!
rideexileex 
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Posted: December 28, 2009 at 3:50 AM / IP Logged  
One last question then:
I've left the factory alarm intact as a redundant alarm. I know that when I was initially testing some of the wires and had the factory alarm harnesses unplugged, the car would not start, so I assume there is some kind of starter kill in the factory system.
My question is, with the status output, does that ground ONLY when the remote start is activated?
If I used the factory-disarm-wire from the aftermarket alarm to the keysense wire, wouldn't that essentially bypass/ruin the factory/OEM starter kill? In this case, the status output wire would be the 'safest', assuming that the assumption from the section above is correct?
I hope my explanations make sense... thanks...
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